Blue Marble trouble....

**Darius1502** · 03-23-2005, 07:46 PM

Well I took the suggestions of some of the folks on here and tried blue marble.

When I first put it in my Tri Z I noticed alot of smoke and some hesitation in the low end portion of the powerband.

After about 30 minutes of riding the Z would not idle.

When I got home and tried to start it took 5 kicks to start. This was a trike that previously (with new fuel pump) started on the first kick.

Last night I put some solvent in the spark plug hole to get it started and she ran rough but started.

Today I have tried and tried but she won't start. I replaced plugs, cleaned plugs and nothing.

I have done nothing to the trike expect put that new oil mixed at 50:1. I now probably have to clean the carb, piston, cylinder dome, etc.

Asked Tim but still waiting on a response.

My feeling today is that if its not broken don't fix it. I should have left the damn thing alone.

**ScottZJ** · 03-23-2005, 08:13 PM

Yeah the Blue Gargle didnt do nothing for me either. Said all sorts of things it would do and never saw anything and thats after 2 huge jugs of it. I did the same thing and tried it but wasnt worth the money. I should have just stayed with klotz. Oh and it never stopped smoking or barely smoked as they say it does and this was from 3 different trikes, so I know it wasnt just one trike.
Try it if you want but Im staying with what I know works.............peace

**Darius1502** · 03-23-2005, 08:23 PM

I was running 32:1 Bel Ray or Klotz or something.

All I can tell you is that my trike won't even start!! This thing would start after 1 kick even if cold and left for 2 weeks.

Now I have to figure out what the heck is wrong, drain all the gas out of the tank, and waste time that I don't have.

OH well it just goes to show you that sometimes its best to forget about perfection and just enjoy what you have.

Very, Very, Very Frustrated!!

ScottZJ: I tried it and thats why I have a trike that won't start...ridiculous!

**deathman53** · 03-23-2005, 08:33 PM

you get a NEW spark plug? I've learned that cleaning plugs doesn't work too well.

**Darius1502** · 03-23-2005, 08:37 PM

Thats next on the list...I'll waste time tomarrow and go to the Yamaha dealer. I have a business to run and other things to do. Trikes (despite my frequent postings) are not my life.

**md1985250r** · 03-23-2005, 08:41 PM

Dont be so hurried to blame the oil.......You went from 32:1 to 50:1 in an instant.............do you think your machine can adapt to that abrupt change?? I used blue marble at 50:1 in my r and have no complaints whatsoever.NO SMOKE EITHER!!

I cant wait to hear TIMSR on this one............

**ScottZJ** · 03-23-2005, 08:48 PM

What about me, I never change any ratio and used it in 3 different machines. And my tecate is far from being worn out so it should have worked the best for it. In my opinion it is not worth the money.

**Darius1502** · 03-23-2005, 08:49 PM

I would love to get Tim's help on this one. I have been waiting and trying my best.

I am not an expert...I just try to learn as I go.

I have never heard of a two stroke not starting because you leaned out the fuel to oil mixture from 32:1 to 50:1. Of course...I am not an expert.

TIM I bought from you and NEED your help!

**md1985250r** · 03-23-2005, 08:59 PM

All I'm saying is you have to give your machine a little time to adjust to such an abrupt change. I went from 32:1 to 50:1 gradually. Keep in mind that when you decrease the amount of oil in your gas you are increasing the temperature at which you are running...maybe that is what you are expierencing darius....I dont know and I do understand where you are coming from....but you really should pm tim and give him a chance to help you....good luck , GREG

**Lots_Of_Nothing** · 03-23-2005, 09:49 PM

I have also used the oil and honostly cannot see anything it has over the .50 cent wal-mart oil. My neigbor had a couple gallons of it, he gave me almost a full gallon for free,, and now I see why., LOL,, I usually ran Amsoil 50:1, and had it jetted to perfection, I first tried blue marbel at 50:1 with nothing but slow throttle responce and a terrible running engine, I tried richer, leaner, messing with the jets, I could never get that thing to run good, I finally got it to idle smoothly, but It was obvious the oil was robbing power, at the end of the gallon I finally gave up. put fresh gas in mixed with amsoil, and after awhile of riding to get the rest of the crap out of its system, it was back to how it should be. I do not believe that "it takes 2 gallons to clear out the system , etc, etc" I dont care how many websites and reviews you show me, first hand experience for me is that it is junk. Might as well throw some food coloring in a jug of milk and label it blue marbel, high performance 2 stroke oil.

My internal parts looked much cleaner and healthier when I tore it down after running amsoil for months and months, then when I tore them down after running blue marbel for a gallon.

Sure we will get a good sounding rebuttle with a little sarcasm saying its all the users fault, that it takes time to "clean" your system, But from my personal experience, and all the guys I know up here, You might as well be dumping moose piss in your gas tank.

**deathman53** · 03-23-2005, 09:50 PM

actually its the opposite TO A POINT, fuel cools alot more oil, so theoreticly when you lean out the oil, there is more gas, so it runs leaner and more gas means it runs cooler. Too little oil and is the opposite, it runs very hot, its a fine line. The oil is just there to lubrite the cylinder, crank, etc. Your problem proabably has alot to due with running very rich, due to the difference in jetting between running 32:1 and 50:!.

**lisnup65** · 03-23-2005, 10:01 PM

It is most likely not the oil, but rather a dirty carb that is the issue. I have been running Blue Marble for almost 32 years plus now and it is awesome!!! The smoke is heavy at first, but get the machines warm and the smoke is gone. I run this is 4 machines, plus my chain saws, weed whackers, etc and I never had 1 problem.

As far as problems with the said machine. All it takes is 1 small particle of dirt to plug or partially plug a carb and create the issues you are claiming.

**Billy Golightly** · 03-23-2005, 10:06 PM

After re-adjusting my carb for the difference in ratio change, I've had nothing but good luck in my trx250R and every other pinger on our property which consists also of my Tri-Z, 2 different chainsaws, my KDX200, the CR500, and the weedeater. To each their own I suppose.

**md1985250r** · 03-23-2005, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by deathman53

actually its the opposite TO A POINT, fuel cools alot more oil, so theoreticly when you lean out the oil, there is more gas, so it runs leaner and more gas means it runs cooler. Too little oil and is the opposite, it runs very hot, its a fine line. The oil is just there to lubrite the cylinder, crank, etc. Your problem proabably has alot to due with running very rich, due to the difference in jetting between running 32:1 and 50:!.

sorry dude but you couldnt be more wrong........... Before we get into the different parts of the carburetor and how they effect gasoline delivery I want to stop for a second and define the terms RICHER and LEANER. I know these terms can cause some trouble for those who are new to the sport or new to carburetor tuning and they are often used incorrectly. The terms RICHER and LEANER refer to the amount of GASOLINE being delivered to the engine and not the amount of oil. If you’ve done a plug reading at wide open throttle and the plug indicates you are running rich ( dark brown to black ) this is an indication that too much gas is being delivered to the engine and not too much oil. I know there are people that will say "You’re running too rich, try to change your premix ration from 42 parts gas: 1 part oil ( 42:1 ) to 50 parts gas : 1 part oil, that should lean things out a little ". This is in fact increasing the amount of gasoline ( 8 more parts of gas for each part of oil ) and causing the engine to run RICHER rather than leaner. If you remember richer and leaner are referring to the amount of gasoline being delivered this will all make much more sense...........care to read the entire article I will email it to anyone who likes to learn and read!!!

**LonesomeTriZ** · 03-23-2005, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by md1985250r

sorry dude but you couldnt be more wrong........... Before we get into the different parts of the carburetor and how they effect gasoline delivery I want to stop for a second and define the terms RICHER and LEANER. I know these terms can cause some trouble for those who are new to the sport or new to carburetor tuning and they are often used incorrectly. The terms RICHER and LEANER refer to the amount of GASOLINE being delivered to the engine and not the amount of oil. If you’ve done a plug reading at wide open throttle and the plug indicates you are running rich ( dark brown to black ) this is an indication that too much gas is being delivered to the engine and not too much oil. I know there are people that will say "You’re running too rich, try to change your premix ration from 42 parts gas: 1 part oil ( 42:1 ) to 50 parts gas : 1 part oil, that should lean things out a little ". This is in fact increasing the amount of gasoline ( 8 more parts of gas for each part of oil ) and causing the engine to run RICHER rather than leaner. If you remember richer and leaner are referring to the amount of gasoline being delivered this will all make much more sense...........care to read the entire article I will email it to anyone who likes to learn and read!!!

Send that to me if you do not mind. lonesome00@hotmail.com

I would like to learn more about properly jetting and pre mixing.

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