shifting problems, bike falling apart

[bigredhead]

You know.

You should take advantage of times like these to get your whole bottom end checked out.

Get a gasket kit for the whole thing.. and get someone to come over and take the whole thing apart.. You said you had metal particles in your oil.. if that's the case something is chewed up in there... could be any number of things from forks to crank bearings.. to xx x x x xx x x god only knows what.

Have the whole thing checked out.. spend your money wisely by only having to buy 1 set of gaskets, and go over the clutch, tranny, crank, piston rings, the whole caboot.

Then you know what you are riding and it gives a world of good feeling once it's all done right.

Do part now.. part then, you will go around in circles for ever.

Look at my SX.

My swingarm welds broke.. and since i'm putting a new swingarm in.. i'm putting in new swingarm bearings and seals. Ordering a new locknut for the swingarm. Having my diff overhauled with new bearings and seals.. and the list goes on.

One i'm all done.. i'll for sure my rear end won't have to be touched again for a long time !!!

[monster 84r]

yeah, im looking for someone to help me check her out. shes been in for regular check ups before i got her, but there are probably some problems. oh, i found out the particles i saw in the oil were just part of the oil the man used. when i drained it yesterday there werent any shavings in the oil. i wanted to take her apart today, but ill save that as a last resort. does anyone know how to put 1st, 2nd, and neutral back to where they were?

[resto250r]

I have the same motor split on my bench in the garage I have a problem with 2nd gear on it but havn't got around to messing with it. I'll look it over and see if I cum up with any ideas on the double shift and no 5th gear!

[monster 84r]

thanks resto! let me know what * find! im still trying to find out what this guy did to space out 1st ,2nd and neutral.

[monster 84r]

i got a theory now, i think since neutral was moved up half a step from stock, that forced 2nd half a step up , and 3rd etc. i think that now that 5th gear is pushed farther away from neutral than stock, that the fork cant get to it. basicly, making neutral its own gear pushed 5th too far out to access. anyone think this is semi coherent?

[monster 84r]

anyone think im right with my prediction thing? i repainted the 250r today by the way, gloss black fenders and scoops, red tank. i just wish it shifted as good as it looks

[nimda78]

sounds like when the previous owner said he "moved whatever two clicks..of whatever with the gears" he meant the splines on the shifter shaft. ya know comes out of motor...arm attached to for yer foot? the last owner's girly girl prolly couldnt bend her presumably smaller foot down too shift up from first gear so he twisted it up a spline or three. this wouldnt affect * being able too pull it up to fif gear, as long as there is no obstruction. mag cover ect. by page 6 * forget what dang bike the thread is about. as to the internal problems, my diagnosis: if in fourth and pulling to fif it feels very unnatural like a half clik? and then it pops back down, its a bent shifter fork almost undoubtly. plus whatever resulting damage the bent fork caused. was it you, monster84, that said when you shifted and guned it it would rev up, then gradually grab, like an automatic. the clutch IS SLIPPING! post where you are with the project now. have you drained the oil from the bottom yet? tipping it, when * know * have shavings in the oil, only spreads the contaminant about!!!!. use a 17mm wrench, not a socket!! try reseting the shift arm back down 2 or three splines, if youve never removed a shifter of brake arm from a bike, you must completly remove the bolt from the arm. after you get the bolt out, and the arm off, you will see why.

[monster 84r]

i was wrong about the oil shavings, it was some weird oil that had sparkles in it. nimda, ill have to check the shifter, but whatever this dude did to my 84 250r, was a crap fix. he didnt modify the gears or split the cases. he messed with something that catches on the clutch drum so that i have to double shift to get to second. ill have to call the dealership back to find out what its called, but its some part ive never heard of. i was under the impression that messing with it was a big no no.

[Red Rider]

i was wrong about the oil shavings, it was some weird oil that had sparkles in it.

By no means have I seen all the different types of oil out there, but of all the types that I have seen, none of them ever had sparkles, unless the sparkles was ground down, metallic, engine matter.

[monster 84r]

thats what i thought, but when i feel the particles in my fingers, they dont have a hard, metallic feel to them. since then ive replaced the the tranny oil 2 times, i drained a little today, and there were no shavings. im using coastal 80w 90.

[nimda78]

aluminium shavings feel like mettalic paint, silky smooth not gritty. if you didnt feel anything in your fingers, thats a good indicator, in that there wasnt much if any steel, very very bad for da motor!!

[monster 84r]

ok all of that aside, how in heck do i get to go to fifth. im almost ready to go sell this for a big red or something.....

[nimda78]

what is the make and model of this problematic trike? can you post pics of the shifter side, a close up of the mag cover and shifter? besides what we have all already told you, theres not much any of us can do via the web. we're all stabbibg in the dark really, ya know? if adjusting the shifter down a few splines, like i already said, doesnt make fif majic-ly start working, your fuct.

[monster 84r]

sry for wasteing all ** guy's time with this, its a 1984 atc250r. no major mods, but like i said the idiot had to **** up honda's perfect factory gearing so his girl could shift easier . someone should have told him not to mess with perfection. ill take some pics asap, ill have em up in an hour or so. thanks for all ** help.

[monster 84r]

ok heres the pics of the bike, let me know if you need more!