06 yfz owners READ!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=YAMAHA_Jim] Aren't the 06 YFZ motors the same as 04 and 05?? Why didnt the first YFZ's have this problem? [QUOTE]

I don't know all the specifics but they did change the 06 YFZ motor. I do know that it gained 9cc's and lost .5 on the compression ratio. I'm sure there are more changes as well.
Timsr. I was not aware of a bumpy introduction for the 450R. Or do you mean they couldn't get it out in time? I put a down payment in around October of 03 and was told I'd have the first one that this dealer got in early December, well that turned into late January of 04. I did hear rumors there were trans issues and that was the cause of the delay, just rumors as far as I know.

I do also know that when I bought my new 2003 400EX. The 400EX outsold all other sport quad's combined by a 2 to 1 margine.

[G-MAN-1]

ok here i go again.lol.............i dont know about this honda deal they made, not making a performance atv. but there is one thing that I WILL SAY . they didnt have to make a new machine b/c there 250r machines didnt have to be replaced. they knew what they made so they said . hey we can beat all machines for 10 years with out spending any money. and lets see what other manufactures can do. then when yamaha came out with the yfz they said hey we can beat that. and o yeh they didnt have to worry about those green and yellow things they knew they couldnt win. just my 2 cents. but mostly true...........i mean come on you still see 250r s at the races and they still win..............

[Billy Golightly]

Billy, In regards to the ground wire laying on the frame paint. Isnt the wire still touching the frame through the screw/bolt. I do alot of painting and never scrape the paint off for that.I havent had a problem with one yet. lol,My paintjobs are way to nice to be scraping off for a lil ground wire .....then again I usually smash the frame by accident atleast once during reassembly with a ratchet or wrench.

Yeah, it kind of works but your only getting half of your ground area as opposed to if the frame was clean in that spot. Its not something that'll totally kill the fire or disrupt the ground, but it makes a difference. The dirbike that had that on it (YZ85) came in for hard starting and after we scraped the paint off and put it back together it cranked on the first kick everytime.

[Yardbird]

About the only thing I heard on the Yammies when they first came out was a problem with the charging system for the battery. The Honda I haven't heard of any initial problems other than they were slower in stock trim or was that a rumor?

[TimSr]

OKay, Ill go back to my question. I agree, the TRX250R was a great quad. I also agree, the 400EX was/is a great quad. My question is, what did Honda contribute to sport quads in the 10 year span between the 250R and the 400EX? An ATV mfg is in the business of selling quads. The "The 250R was so great they didnt need another one" argument doesnt make sense. Pro Quad racing tanked after 89 because there was no point in sponsering racers to ride quads that wereent made any more. They could have, and should have made and SOLD the 250R for another 10 years, like Yamaha did. Why didnt they? What DID they contribute during that period.

[Mosh]

i agree with tim sr. honda did nothin in the 90,s. my stand on that is, 1 they were content with the things they had done.2 they brought in bean counters to better thier profits,by not doing research for new models.3 they were afraid to take a chance on a new sport quad and when they introduced the 400ex,they sold like hotcakes.but keep in mind a few months later the raptor came out. yamaha new that honda had no intentions of a big bore fourstroke to replace the banshee and others like it.now honda finds themselves like ten years behind yamaha. i have ridden both the new 450 quads and the yfz just plain out destroys the honda. i mean even suzuki 1 upped honda with the z-400. it was a better sport quad by far over the 400ex.i just think honda basically gave up on the sport quad market during the 90,s becuase they thought that they had tim farr still dominating on a fully modded aftermarket 250r and there was not much attention being paid to the quads. becuase of their procrastinating now they are in the hole. the new raptor will be the new big bore dune bike once the 2 stroke ban is implicated on federal lands. honda does not even show any interest in competing with the new raptor.that raptor WILL replace the banshee as far as duning goes.oh by the way tim, honda did come out with that great eletric shifter box on the utility quads. that thing was great. it only cost 600 bucks to replace that after a minor roll. ha ha lol.

[250r'en +TCB]

^^^ EXACTLY!!!! Thats what I'm trying to say! There had to have been some sort of agreement made between honda and whomever! Why would they just stop making a quad that was dominating race tracks and a huge hit with the public???

By the way, what contibutions did yamaha make in the 90's to sport quads? The banshee and the blaster are the same thing they were in the 80's when they first came out!!!

[TimSr]

By the way, what contibutions did yamaha make in the 90's to sport quads? The banshee and the blaster are the same thing they were in the 80's when they first came out!!!

Yamaha showed little in the way of anything NEW. Their contribution was that they continued to produce and sell their very successful top 3 sport models at record numbers thanks to their biggest competitor rolling over. Thats my gripe about Honda. Why stop producing a successful product, without a repacement. Yamaha's Banshee replacement has been in the works for years. They didnt just drop the Banshee and retroke the Blaster as a replacement.

I still very unclear about this supposed agreement. It could not have existed between Honda and the CPSC, or Yamaha would not have been able to continue to produce the Banshee. I dont believe it existed. I believe it was nothing more than a marketing blunder based on a faulty forecast of things to come. Whatever the reason, if they stopped production on a successful machine while their competitors continued to produce theirs, Honda made a really bad blunder, whether it be in their management, or their inability to assemble a competent legal team.

[90nut]

People always say that hondas are bullet proof, and you cant hurt them and yadda yadda. Myself on the other hand still have total unconditional faith in my yamahas. Ever honda I have ever owned has gave me problems, I mean it is not because I beat the crud out of them or don't preform maintance on them it must just be that I always get lemons or somethin. The ol' yamahas though we flog on those babys al day long and al we do is change the oil and clean air filter. That is the most important thing to do to anything. Change oild and clen air filters and your golden. People say that you can't buy a new 250r but oh, you still can, for like 8 GRAND!! The price is redicoulus. I personally would never spen that much money on one though.

[NOS_350X]

Honda treats there atv's second to there motercycles. With the demise of 3 wheelers i THINK they felt that quads where going to go down too. Its sad but true that honda dosent put very good R&D into there quads like they do there bikes. While atv's get BNG the MX bikes get a complete overhaul every 2 years

[Kintore]

Yamaha showed little in the way of anything NEW. Their contribution was that they continued to produce and sell their very successful top 3 sport models at record numbers thanks to their biggest competitor rolling over. Thats my gripe about Honda. Why stop producing a successful product, without a repacement. Yamaha's Banshee replacement has been in the works for years. They didnt just drop the Banshee and retroke the Blaster as a replacement.

I totally agree, yamaha was thinking ahead and started to plan the shees replacement. The 700 raptor. Like you said Tim, they kept making em the same, and kept working on a replacement. IMO the 660 raptor was just a "test run" for the new 700. And also agree why did Honda stop making the R when it was so succesfull and nothing to take its place?

[brapp]

they should ban all those junk quads at the pep boys stores and the ones tha you can pick up for a few hundred bucks, they are the ones that will be killing peopel oin time and will elad to the end of quads, kinda like my oppinion that the little 110's and the little non suspended model trikes were, yeah there were accidents on the bigger faster trikes btu the little balooner tires and the lack of suspension will kell soemoen really fast if they dont knwo what thier doing. and its goign to be the same way with these junk quads comign out of the woodwork that you will not be able to get parts and peopel will start riggign them and then people get hurt, just my .02 cents. i may be wroong btu its what i think will happen.