Harleys Suck! Interesting website

[kb200x]

At least I do a little research before I start posting dumb *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* Kentucky boy.

What does Kentucky have to do with anything? You sound real intelligent yourself. Its no big suprise that HD is not up to the quality of the Jap bikes. This is not breaking news to anyone. This is the land of the free ride what you want and shut the up

[Redztread]

What does Kentucky have to do with anything? You sound real intelligent yourself. Its no big suprise that HD is not up to the quality of the Jap bikes. This is not breaking news to anyone. This is the land of the free ride what you want and shut the up

So much for no flaming. LOL

You must be luckier than I am. All I ever run into are H-D owners who don't even know the dispacement of their own bike. Some can't even tell me how much fuel it holds, what a caliper is, etc.

Breaking news to you? Perhaps not, but can't count the number of times I've run into brain dead neophytes who don't know a triple clamp from a triple play.

Consider yourself lucky.

[Rm250RF900R]

Do choppers fall into this category as well?

[Blown 331]

Do choppers fall into this category as well?

I would say so, a chopper is a Harley made completely of aftermarket parts. I few of my friends ride choppers and most of the parts would interchange. Most choppers use a S&S or Revtech engine which is based off the Harley 80 cubic inch (1340cc) Evolution single cam engine. They look almost identical from the outside. One of my buddies chopper has a 100 cubic inch (1759cc) S&S motor, that thing runs pretty good. The S&S 124 cubic inch motor will run the quarter mile in the 10's and is totally streetable.

[Redztread]

Do choppers fall into this category as well?

Not really. Though I am not a fan of choppers, there is usually a huge difference. I think they look terrible, but I look at things from an engineering/functionality standpoint. I don't care how pretty something is. A dressed up shiny turd is still a turd (I'm not talking about choppers in particular, just making a point). Oh, and not all Choppers are Harleys. First, you have the full customs, built from scratch, but I've also seen Viragos, Valkeries, Meanstreaks, Buelavards and other import bikes made into choppers.

Most chopper owners I've met know the bike is about flash, not performance, even though some of the engines in them are quite powerful, the are design to turn heads, at least to a certain degree. They openly admit that on the open road, they are easy to ride, so long as the road doesn't get TOO curvy. Choppers handle like hell (at least compared to what I ride). A sharp turn at speed on a chopper is less counter-steer and more comparable to hand-to-hand combat.

I think that a lot of you misinterpreted my stand on Harleys. Granted, yes, I think they are terribly engineered, severely overpriced, and extremely overrated. However, I'm not going to lump you in with a particular demographic simply because I see you riding one. I only educate (bash) those who look down on me because I made a different (and in my mind, more educated) purchase. You have no problem with me, I have no problem with you.

Oh yea, about the NHRA championship mentioned earlier; I'll say the same thing here that I said on my site. Saying H-D won the NHRA championship is like saying McDonalds won the Olympics. Sorry, no dice. Harley had nothing to do with that bike. They let someone else do all the work to get that bike running as fast as it did and just sponsored the team with the name. In fact, they are using the V-Rod, which even the stock bikes sold on sales floors have engines designed by Porsche, not H-D.

Harley gets a SEVERE displacement and design advantage over the other motorcycles in NHRA. Suzuki, for instance, is limited to 92 cubic inches while H-D gets 160. The Ram-air ducts cannot be seen on the import teams, but Harleys are sitting out in front, bigger than life. This isn't the first time H-D has been given an advantage (handicap) either. Buell’s were allowed 200cc displacement advantage over the rest of the twins (they got 1000) when they raced.

I've heard all the arguments, “Inlines are more efficient than twins. They rev higher and have more cylinders … blah blah blah!" I'm sorry, but if I'm going to race anything, I'm going to use the best engine I can get my hands on, and the Harley V-twin isn't it. I really don't know what Harley's excuse is. In AMA racing, the twins and inlines are the same displacement. Twins and inlines are 1000cc (a current change in rules). Ducati and Honda both have 999cc engines that pump out horsepower in or near the 130s and enough torque to pull a rider off if revved to hard, even at speed. The Japanese and Italians are making new strides in V-twin technology everyday while Harley is content with standing on the laurels of domestic sales and lack luster engineering and performance.

My end point is this: Harleys are NOT the best bike out there, not by a long shot. They are not leading anything in any category, and if you hear otherwise, it's because someone is skewing the facts or out and out lying. They are out sold, out engineered, and out performed by nearly every other motorcycle company (with the exception in sales of Boss-Hoss, Big Johnson, Bimota, and a few other smaller companies). If you like them, fine, but don't bash me because I chose to purchase differently. Have I bashed Harley riders, yes, but only as a response to an endless barrage of attacks over the years I've been riding. My site is the end result. Love it or leave it.

[Groundworx]

THE END!!!!!!!!!!!

[RedRider_AK]

One of my buddies chopper has a 100 cubic inch (1759cc) S&S motor, that thing runs pretty good. The S&S 124 cubic inch motor will run the quarter mile in the 10's and is totally streetable.

And then people wonder why SUV's have stopped selling...

[travis712]

I've never liked Harleys. Everything about them I dislike, really. There annoyingly loud, they don't look good to me at all, and they are designed for looks, not performance. Say "crotch rockets", for example, they look good, sound awesome, and will outrun pretty much anything within reason. Just my .2 cents.

[Blown 331]

You paid 10 grand for a 13 year old bike. Well bud, you were suckered. You have to be out of your mind to pay 5 digits for a used bike. It's people like you that keep Harley is business. I'm curious, did you buy it at the dealership? You could have gotten ripped off there too, but at least you would have gotten a warrantee.

Old thread but the bike you think I was suckered on has been sold. I bought it in 2006 for $9750. At that time it had 13,500 miles. I just sold it for $10,500 and it now has 43,000 miles.
So 4 years and 30,000 miles later and I made money, I'm such a sucker. And thats after the market really dropped out on them.
I'm picking up the Roadking today after work for $14,900. Hopefully I get suckered as much on this one as I did the last one.

[cox]

Justice is served....

[HIK6911]

My Brother and I have been riding Harlonda's for years! LOL! Meaning nothing.... Just (early 80's) older Honda CB 900's and 750's that have been chopped and dropped. A.K.A Rat bikes. Easy to find, parts are cheap and plentiful, fun to ride, and don't give a @#!@#@!#, if your buddy dumps the darn thing. (you do, only if they get hurt, hehehehe!) We jet'em out, put fatties on the back, open pipes, do a lot of custom parts, lights, seat, tanks, etc. Seems we never clean or wash them up, think the dirt and grime is holding some of them together! We just enjoy riding!! no time to make them shine, they do that on their own, haul'n ass down the road! We have had a few rice burners, they are quick and fun! you don't look so cool, wearing chaps and full leathers, riding a crotch rocket! You can pull wheelies so much smoother on them than on a chopper! We have had a few CBR 900, 1100 Gixxers, but seem to prefer the Rat bikes for the long haul! No way in hell, would either of us own a blankety, blank, blank Harley! Takes to much time to clean all that chrome, not that reliable, don't feel they're that quick, they mark driveways like a dog, and you never get the enjoyment out of them, of what you paid for the darn thing! Feel they are just a prestigious bike. Not to many people I have meet, that own a harley, are badass Hells Angel's! (anyone see that movie Wild Hogs? LMFAO!) Some guys would probably give me a world of hurt, for saying that! They are just another form of transportation, not my cup of tea!! My brothers and I will be riding Honda (2 and 3 wheels), till the day we die!

[HIK6911]

I've never liked Harleys. Everything about them I dislike, really. There annoyingly loud, they don't look good to me at all, and they are designed for looks, not performance. Say "crotch rockets", for example, they look good, sound awesome, and will outrun pretty much anything within reason. Just my .2 cents.

My thoughts exactly! Amen!!

[Blown 331]

The loud argument is SO SO weak. First of most of your 3 wheelers are probably just as loud, at least close. Do you know many people complain about the sound your 3-wheelers are putting out? TONS! So to complain about something else being loud is just rediculous to me, it make no sense at all. Next thing you are going to say you don't like Harley (or any street bike) that has been turned to a a trike because they flip too easy and you think they should be "made illeagal". Harleys also come with very quite mufflers from the factory. If you see one with straight pipes that means an idividual put it there.
The reliability thing is weak as well. Thats an old sterotype left over from the 70s when Harley was owned by AMF. I know HUNDREDS of guys who ride Harleys and I mean really ride, not just a weekend cruiser but its their main transportion. I know some guys who don't even have any other vehicle, Harley only. I can probaby count on one had the problems we have all had. They are sure a lot more reliable than any 2 stroke I've encountered (I know, I know, you've had 37 2 strokes running every day for 25 years and have not had one problem), well that has not been my personal experice, I know this from personal experience. Most of what is posted here about Harley's is hearsay. And just as FYI, my next bike is going to be a Shovelhead for around town which is where that reliablitly sterotype most likely came from but they aren't bad bikes and have a ton of charactar.
I just picked up a Roadking with a Vance and Hines exhaust system, nice tone but not loud at all. WAY quieter than my 350X with a DG pipe.
And I like to put 2000 miles on my bike in an extended weekend. I do it often and haven't witnessed any crotchrockets or old CB900s etc doing the same.
I would expect replies like this from a 3 wheeler site though. I have 3 wheelers because I love them (as do lots of others on here). I have some expensive bikes, probably $10,000 in 3 wheelers (agains as do others). But I know for a fact (from reading the boards) that a lot of people only have them because they can't afford 4 wheels. And if you cant afford a 4wheeler you sure cant afford a Harley. And people like to hate on what they cant have.

[dcreel]

As far as the loudness with harleys. I agree with that. There is a guy around the corner from my house with pipes about 12" long with both on the right side of his bike. When he goes by my house (speeding of course, at all hours of night) he rattles all the windows on the street side of my house. It's a nuisance. It's an immature way to say look at me, I'm a biker. I would never own a Harley, but if they would at the very least try to keep them quiet I would be happier. The difference between my three wheelers and a Harley is that the Harley is ridden on public streets and through neighborhoods. If someone out at the dunes thinks my Tecate is too loud they can go home. Believe me it has nothing to do with being envious of someone on a loud, overpriced motorcycle. Way to put yourself on a pedestal.

[oldskool83]

i dont have a problem with harleys, all bikes are nice, does not mean i like all those bikes. i tend to like the 50ish style of harleys, some of the new ones are going retro and look more interesting with less and less chrome. i know people say they rattle appart but i dont know if this is because somone is workingon them not using correct hardware or what. i will say i like the belt drive on them and wish more compaies went to that. but as far as me wanting to own one i do not have a real burning desire, i dont hate them yes some are loud, my sportbikes were loud too. i just like a machine that handles very well i can throw and move around on nice. i feel if harley introduced more and more alum parts and frames these big bikes might start to feel lighter and catch the eye of new riders not looking for that 50 year old rebal outlaw look. i like the buells, but wont buy one due to them going out a biz.