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    Wow. Okay. If your carb leaks fuel, simple rule: You're getting too much fuel.
    This can be caused by the following:
    1) Float valve stuck
    2) Jetted wrong
    3) restricted air cleaner (causes a "choke" condition).

    First of all, stop the leaking. Make sure your vents breathe (cap vent works?).

    Check the float level (see above post about how float will be level if carb is held upside down with the bowl removed).
    Make sure there is no obstruction in the float valve passage (dirt can cause the float valve to stay open). Make sure the float valve is clean, not worn.

    If that is good, and the float is level, you should never leak fuel from the carb unless the bike is upside down. If it leaks, then your float's not working.

    The air/fuel screw (if the bike is equipped) is only for idle mixture. It does nothing at higher RPM. Only adjusts the idle air/fuel.

    A screw about 1/4 way up on the side of most carbs is "IDLE SPEED". It physically limits how far down the cylindrical slider rests in the carb. The lower the cylinder, the more restriction, and lower the idle speed. Turn the screw in (clockwise) to raise idle speed.

    A screw on the side, near the base of the carb, usually at an angle is the air/fuel. This is for idle mix only. If the bike is missing at idle, you can sometimes tune it in with this screw. If you can't, or the adjustment makes no difference, the idle passages are dirty or the idle speed adjuster is set wrong (either too low, doesn't run, or too high, revs beyond idle range.)

    If the bike runs like crap at higher RPM, or backfires, then the main jet is either dirty or the wrong size.

    YOU GOTTA BE WILLING TO TAKE APART A CARB AND CLEAN IT RIGHT.

    Take it apart, take photos, make drawings, take notes, etc to make sure you can get it back together properly. Don't turn screws in like a maniac with a fat screwdriver till you bottom out the screws and damage the seats and needles. Take it easy. No use spending $300-400 on a new carb cuz you monkeyed it to death.

    Clean everything with carb cleaner. Carefully blow out the needles, jets, and passages with compressed air.

    Reassemble the carb and adjust it to spec. Gently bottom out the air/fuel screw and back it out 2 and 1/4 turns or so. Then turn on the fuel, see no leaks, be proud.

    Start the thing, adjust the idle speed, and adjust the air/fuel.

    Sounds like a pain in the butt, but how much time have you already spent on fixing it? And, so you buy a used carb for $40 on ebay, guess what... The dude your buying it from probably took it off a bike that sat for 3 years with fuel in the carb. That carb will need cleaned too. So, you're just better off cleaning the carb right the first time.

    Trust me, it's a pain. But it gets easier and easier each time you do it right. I used to send carbs to shops. Now I can tear down a carb and clean it right, adjust it and have the bike running in about 20 minutes or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traxxasx
    Yes it is the idle screw, there isent an air/fuel mixture screw. The one on the bottom is to open and close the bottom of the bowl to drain extra fluid.
    the mixture screw is just in front of the fuel bowl , going up in to the carb from the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erics350x
    the mixture screw is just in front of the fuel bowl , going up in to the carb from the bottom.
    Yes! This is the screw I was wondering about!

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    ok i'm following all of this. i am going to replace the spark plug today and test it. last night it ran ok without the air filter so i've cleaned it and will see if thats it because i am pretty sure the carb is not the problem.

    the carb leaks gas when its running not when it sits. i do have one question and this will probably help you too tolowhb its this:

    what about the phantom screw. it is a machine screw that is between the idle screw (big one with the spring) and the engine. to me it looks like a good place to squirt starting fuel into if it won't start. maybe this is for testing vaccum or something?

    i'll know today what the problem is/was. thanks for all your help

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    i believe that screw is the idle speed.

    if it leaks gas at all, the float valve is somehow malfunctioning.

    I'm not aware of any carb with a starting fluid port. Some carb boots (intakes) have vaccuum hookups, but thats for balancing carbs on a multi carb system.

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    did you try blowing threw the gas cap vent? sounds like the float is just a hair to high to me.

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    I think he also needs to know how to measure the float height. Does anyone know the specs on that? As far as the cleaning, take it apart first. Make sure you have ALL the rubber parts off of it and toss everything metal into a can of berrymans carb cleaner for a while. It sez to leave it in there for 15-30 minutes but I left mine in at least a couple of hours (while I worked on other stuff, my gun build or just screwed around on the internet) and it cleaned it very well. The Bayou now purrs like new instead of coughing and gagging like an old man that smokes. Now for the air/fuel mix is about 2 to 2.5 turns out. Both of mine have been about 2 1/8 turns and they work fine. Some bikes let gas out of the tank only when they are on using engine vacuum to open up the valve in the petcock so thats why yours might be leaking only when it runs. (I do not have a picture of that petcock and I don't own one so I am not familiar with it but I do have a vulcan that works like that. )

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    i cleaned the carb fully, it can only be the needle/float valve at this point. the screw i mentioned is a machine screw that comes all the way out or all the way in. i'll snap a pic of it tomorrow. i am waiting on the float valve and should get it thursday then i'll know for sure.

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    the screw in the middle of the image is the one i am curious about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crownpoint
    the screw in the middle of the image is the one i am curious about.
    I wonder about that screw as well, seems like it would be to loose to be A/F ratio screw. I have a blurry pic of what I thought could be the a/f screw. Here it is circled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tolowhb
    I wonder about that screw as well, seems like it would be to loose to be A/F ratio screw. I have a blurry pic of what I thought could be the a/f screw. Here it is circled.
    Youre absolutely correct! That is the pilot -air screw.
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    well i replaced the float valve and that seems to have fixed it. the guy up the street who works on these says he replaces the float valves on every carb he fixes because they go bad so often. says the additives in the gas kill them. i took thefox 's advice and got the moose kit for this machine and it worked out good. now to deal with the burning oil issue.....

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