Best sand tire??

[Rustytinhorn]

So I just got done reading some previous threads on ITP and Douglas wheels.
Seems as far as Douglas's are concerned, that I should get the .190 because riders have had trouble witht the smaller sizes bending.
What about the ITP steel. I'm still in the dark on them. They are cheaper than the Douglas, but what about strength and weight wise??

[GPracer2500]

I've run .125s, .160s, and .190s. I'm done with the .160s and .190s. Yes, they are stronger--but on a sand wheel I don't need the strength and I don't want the extra weight.

If you're really hard on wheels--as in bending them--then stay clear of the .125s. I know folks that ARE hard on wheels. Usually it's some kind of wreck that harms them. I've never had an issue with .125s though.

.160s are a good compromise if your not sure. If you need the strength of a .190 then you should probably be looking for a rolled edge rim anyway.

I got this info from a fella who said he called Douglas:
10" rim x 9" wide: .125 = 3.75lbs, .160 = 4.5lbs, .190 = 5.75lbs

[Rustytinhorn]

I'm not a real aggressive rider, but I do go through some nasty terrain where my rims will rub on the rocks. I've only ever had oem wheels and despite a little dent or two never had any troubles.
Thanx for the weights. After looking somemore I think I will go with the ITP Steel wheels just because they are a lot less expensive and should perform just fine as a sand wheel with a little jumping. I'm planning on running a 20x??x8 so that will give me a bigger sidewall and protect my rim a bit more. My worst fear is going around a corner, rolling the tire back on the outside wheel, hitting a rock and damaging my rim and cutting up my sidewall or killing my bead or both.
Guess the only question I have now is what thickness/weight is the ITP Steel??

Has anyone tried the Kenda Geckos??
Thanks

[GPracer2500]

I'm not a real aggressive rider, but I do go through some nasty terrain where my rims will rub on the rocks....

Has anyone tried the Kenda Geckos??
Thanks

My experience my not apply then. There are basically zero rocks like that in and around the sand I run in (mostly ISDRA). And if there's that difference, there's prolly a bunch of other differences in the sand, terrain, riding styles, etc.

Geckos on steel rims are so inexpensive that you'd be hard to go wrong. As long as they work decent (and they should) then it's a great value. The should be darn durable. I've never run steel rims but I assume they're strong (but how heavy?). And most any molded tire is going to hold up better than a Hauler. I've seen plenty of old Haulers with pieces of paddle missing. I've seen even older molded tires still hanging in there. That durabilty comes at the price of performance though.

[mean350]

has anyone tried the kenda nomad paddle tires in the sand. the ones i got iv only had them in the mud on a 110 and went more places than a 4wd quad. never spun in the mud at all. i bet they would be good in sand too.

[Huffa]

Is it my understanding these (pro-wedge's) work good in sand or snow? I know they can't compare to paddle but would think you can spin them a lot easier yet still have 1/2 decent traction in either terrian.

I did not use them yet nor did I really buy (came with machine) them, that's why I ask.

[nouseforaname90]

I'm pretty sure they work good in the sand or snow. I think part of the ingeniousness behind them (and some other snow tires) are that they stretch as the tire spins faster, which gives you better traction. Pretty much they become larger as they spin faster and allows you to cut through the snow. They also work well in sand for the same reason. They are high profile.. helps in snow and sand.

Thats just what I thought, though...

[random-strike]

Is it my understanding these (pro-wedge's) work good in sand or snow? I know they can't compare to paddle but would think you can spin them a lot easier yet still have 1/2 decent traction in either terrian.

I did not use them yet nor did I really buy (came with machine) them, that's why I ask.

i see a lot of trikes with those on them

[NOS_350X]

I would stay away from the steel wheels. there just too heavy. And the weight of the rims takes alot of power away from your bike. For the sand the .125's are the best bet, super light and if soemthing does happen to them you can just fix it with a . look next to my name the only thing ive ever had that i coudnt fix with a . 2 weekends ago we had a wreck with 2 quads out here and one had the 190's on the back and we couldnt straighten it. So she has to buy a new rim. if it was a .125 i bet i could have gotten it close enough.

All in all if performance is any concern dont even think about the steelies. For the price you cant beat gekos.

[350xBomb]

I agree with NOS 100%, Douglas .125s (blue label I believe) are the way to go. If your that worried about price gekos are an ok choice i guess...my friends nephew has them on his blaster and I think they are the worst tire ive experienced, for that application anyways. Ive never seen em on anything else.

[okieRrider]

I run the AMS sidewinder paddles on my 400ex and they do an excellent job. They turn good, go straight good, and the main bling about them is the roost you can throw while your WOT...lol.

[Rustytinhorn]

[QUOTE=GPracer2500]My experience my not apply then. There are basically zero rocks like that in and around the sand I run in (mostly ISDRA). And if there's that difference, there's prolly a bunch of other differences in the sand, terrain, riding styles, etc.

Sorry I should have been a little more clear. To clarify I have never had sand tires before, always just used my dirt tires for all of my riding, so in my backtrail riding I run into a lot of big rocks where the rim will get scraped a little no matter how hard I try just because of the terrain.
As far as rocks in the sand where I ride, the sand itself is pretty clean but there are patches of gravel and hard dirt trails around too. There are some big rocks, but they are around sand mountain and usually dont have too run over them.

[Rustytinhorn]

Is it my understanding these (pro-wedge's) work good in sand or snow? I know they can't compare to paddle but would think you can spin them a lot easier yet still have 1/2 decent traction in either terrian.

I did not use them yet nor did I really buy (came with machine) them, that's why I ask.

I was looking at getting a pro-wedge for my Yamaha Big Wheel to try out. They are supposed to be an excellent tire for the BW on sand, due to the fact that the BW's dont have that much power for paddles, but the need a different tire for sand other than the stock tire. As for your 250 they should spin pretty easy I would think. I bet anything that'd be one of the best tires you could get for snow on a 250, especially if aired down. But what do I know. Let me know how they turn out in both terrains. Just a thought, you might get more traction if you turn those tires around the other direction from what I can see.
Then again, if you dont want them you can always send them to my house.

On my Atc200 I have 25x12-9 Cheng Shin knobbys that I run at 2psi or little lower. They dont look like much in the pictures, but when run that low and in person they are probably the best dirt/mud/snow/sand tire I've ever had for a 200. We have a mountain on the north end of town that I climbed again just today.
Its a freshly plowed fireline break. It was mix of extreme mud and snow and I was sittin on the gas tank to keep from wheeling over backward and would still wheelie up. This is the second time I've climbed it and both times I've had to stop about 3/4 the way up cuz my carb cant handle the angle.
Then on the sand having my tires at 3psi or 2psi said wether I could climb a hill or not. (Hence the lower the pressure the larger the footprint you have.) My point being that having a low pressure (2psi max) and a wide mushy or strechy tire makes all the of difference in mud,snow, sand, rocks, dirt, anything...
(Duh....except I know that someone will complain that paddle tires will perform better in sand than any low pressure knobbys, and I agree, sand tires are made for the sand moreso than knobbys are, I was just saying as far as my knobbys go.) GADFREEZE!!!!! GADS!!!! I'm gonna have A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN NOW!!

[Rustytinhorn]

What about the front tire. Does the stock tire really create enough drag to worry about getting a dune tire.

[El'Capitan]

i have run a mowhawk and a normal dirt tire (kenda front max) on my 350X at the dunes....the mowhawk does help noticeably, but the other one performed fine.