gearing for mudding??

[bigred1]

Opinions wanted. What do you think is the best trike and tires for some nasty mud bogs also I like doing wood trails that require hill climbs and tight turning I have a 200e and 200m both hard tails one w/ nobbies the other w/ worn Carlisle Strykers once these get mud in them they become slicks the mud won't come out of the treads. Can these rides be decently moddified or should I look at a different ride? only interested in trike input kinda fond of the three wheel thing ya know. THANKS

[84honda200s]

either one is a good mudder. i had a 200s i used to mud with. so id say take that 200m but some 25 inch swamp fox tires on and you will be doing some mudding very well. ive only got mine stuck once and that was in mud that went up past my rear grab bar. took us 2 hours to get out of the mess. but other than that the swamp fox tires treated me pretty good.

[chris200x]

Best trail/mud machine is the 250sx. IMO




Oh, those mudlites ain't too bad niether.

[BigReds Forever]

250sx is good if you need some speed to get momentum through the mud, otherwise Id say the 250es "BIGRED" The 200's will do pretty decent, my 200s keeps up with quite a few quads, but when you get into the really sticky/heavy stuff, it just doesnt have the power to keep them spinning. As for tires, with the 250's, i like either dirtdevils (they dig excellent but there heavy 6plys) or mud lights. With a 200, id go with something a little lighter and less aggressive do to the lack in power. Any light 2 or 4 ply mud tire, or even some good STAGGERED knobbies (no lugs in a row) in a 22" size would do you good.

[bigred1]

no lugs in a row ?? like taking a razor and cutting ??

[Rustytinhorn]

I run 25x12x9 Cheng Shing Knobbies on my Atc200. I am very pleased with them in all terrains and conditions. Lightweight too.

[BigReds Forever]

no, some knobbies have the lugs in a row (in the direction of rotation), (BAD)
http://denniskirk.com/denniskirk/b2c...0pix/kt856.jpg

and some are staggered (GOOD)
http://denniskirk.com/denniskirk/b2c...00pix/c829.jpg

[bigred1]

yea didn't think cutting is what you meant but wasn't sure. thanks

[84honda200s]

250sx is good if you need some speed to get momentum through the mud, otherwise Id say the 250es "BIGRED" The 200's will do pretty decent, my 200s keeps up with quite a few quads, but when you get into the really sticky/heavy stuff, it just doesnt have the power to keep them spinning. As for tires, with the 250's, i like either dirtdevils (they dig excellent but there heavy 6plys) or mud lights. With a 200, id go with something a little lighter and less aggressive do to the lack in power. Any light 2 or 4 ply mud tire, or even some good STAGGERED knobbies (no lugs in a row) in a 22" size would do you good.

yea i forgot to mention i ran a 8 tooth sprocket with a few engine mods. a stock 200s wont turn 25 inch swamp fox tires fast enough. sorry for the mix up.

[rally4x4racer]

how are the 200X and 350X in the mud?

[Freakshow]

I like em'!

But I can see how a lil' extra weight from the heavy Red's might help in the traction dept. on slow muddy trails.

I tend to rely on wheelspeed to get me thru the muck. That can be tough and/or dangerous on some trails.... or downright impossible on deeper crossings with slimy bottoms.





Did I just type 'slimy bottoms'??!

[RedRider_AK]

My 110 was a BEAST in the mud/water.

Best trike for mud is probably the US 90, it would just FLOAT over anything with those big ol' airplane tires.

Actually, the best mudder would probably be a hardtail of some sort, 200s or something. I say this because hardtails are always lighter than suspensioned machines.

I would LOVE to see a 200m with a gear reduction (lower overall gearing) and maybe some 27 inch Outties (Outlaws) or Bi/Tri Claws or Vampires or something. I think it would look pretty nasty!

[BigReds Forever]

To add a little to this, there are (at least in my mind) 2 types of mudding. One of which my raptor 660 is very good at, one of which the 4x4's/Bigreds..... would be good at.

Method one: have some fairly decent tires, and a light machine, hit the holes with some speed, (say 3rd gear) and float over the top of it relying on speed and wheel spin (as freakshow stated). This method works pretty decent, as long as you know what your doing, keep your weight right, and dont loose momentum. (works best when the mud isnt soupy, bottom doesnt matter) Ive successfully made it through some pits with the raptor that buried a grizzly to the racks just by speed alone.

Method 2: BIG tires, lots of power, and dig through the mud. This is where the big machines excel. Just keep your tire speed up, even if the machine is hardly moving, keep shifting your weight and searching for some traction. (works best when there isnt 4' of heavy, sticky mud, soup is just fine, and there is somewhat of a solid bottom). This is when id dig the bigred out. When the mud is too soupy for anything to float, and i need some serious traction. Ive had mud over the racks on that 250 and walked right out of it (verrrrrrrrry slowly).

Thats just my 2 cents. Hope it helps a little. I dont claim to be an expert but ive done my fair share of bogging. Im welcome to new ideas/ criticism on this topic.

[McDerry]

Biggest meats you can find for the 200M and a smaller front sprocket. Big fat front tire with little to no radial traction(doesn't stop for doopy), and the most aggressive thing you can find for the rear. The bigger EXT Outlaws/Gators, Possibly a large set of swamp fox/dirt devils and you'd be getting gobs of traction.


The 200E would work aswell, although, it is a tad bit heavier which cna aid in getting to the bottom, or just bottomed out that much quicker. Mind You low range is convenient with the ability to play in 3rd gear.

[mapyang]

Best trail/mud machine is the 250sx. IMO




Oh, those mudlites ain't too bad niether.

Hey Chris you should know those maxxis all taks on little johns SX work pretty good in mud also, my sx has wooly boogers and worked great going through the clayment at trikefest. Just changed my rear tires to spider tracks 22x12.5x8 on new steel ITP rims they hit the rear brake arm so will be needing some 1.5 inch wheel spacers, Can't wait to try them out.
Drew