Aluminum 450r 3 wheeler.

[OZQUAD44]

Top tier machine for me!

Ever thought of offering a kit so Bike owners could do this conversion.

[Louis Mielke]

His name is Jason, not Bill.

[Hipower]

Jason, Do you recall what type of aluminum you used for the tripples. Can you recommend a thickness/size and clamping bolt. It looks like you used one bolt per side.
Do you know if the center to center measurement for the forks is the same for the top and bottom tripples. I'm trying to get up to speed on tripple clamps. It's something I always took for granted. I find that I don't know enough about them to tell a machinist friend what I want him to make. Thanks, Ed

[Red Rider]

Do you know if the center to center measurement for the forks is the same for the top and bottom tripples.

The center-to-center distance of the top & bottom triple clamps would have to be the same in order for the forks to be parallel & work properly.

[Jason Hall]

Hipower- I used 6061 aluminum, mine are 3/4" thick with 5/16" pinch bolts. I built mine to be light, but strong enough for the riding that I do. If you jump big, I would make them as thick as the stock triple's for what ever forks you will use. I will be adding 3/4" pinch collars on both the top and bottom clamps to add pinching force and strength. I will post up some pic's of the added piece's within a week or so.

Red Rider- I think he Is trying to figure out If the triple's have rake built In. Mine don't have rake built In, so the center to center Is the same top to bottom.

[Hipower]

Thanks Red Rider. That's what I thought. Jason, (before you made your triples) had you known that you needed less rake, could you have corrected your front geometry with just a change in the rake machined into the triples and avoided cutting the frame at the steering head. I think this is what you originally was shooting for. Does negative rake in relation to the steering head bolt cause any negative effects on steering. Thanks, Ed

[Jason Hall]

I have never seen a set of triple's with neg rake built In (I'm not saying they have not been made). I have rode 3 wheelers with bent forks though LOL, I kinda figured with neg rake It would handle funny. I was sure I could mod the frame and make It strong enough. I wasn't sure I could make the neg rake triple's and not waiste my time and money. So I modded the steering head.

[Hipower]

Thanks Jason. I'm going to try to have a set of triples made for my XR650R. I think I will go with zero degree's of rake built in. I want a trail machine that can handle deep sugar sand trails. The only problem I have with a bike conversion is the fact that it doesn't have the air tube like an atc. With the hurricane that just crossed the state, I have a lot of deep water crossing that my 86 200x handles just fine. It floats with the inlet for the air tube out of the water. UPS just dropped off my 07 trx 450 swinger that I got for my 85 atc250r project but I think I will save it for the 650r if I go thru with this. I get more excited over having rides no one else has so I will probably will do this. Thanks, Ed

[Jason Hall]

That will be a very cool project. Stay In touch with the progress sounds like It will be fun to ride.

[max]

Jason, give us the race ride report. Suspension, power out of turns, steering, what gears were you in mainly, traction, braking?

Ill tell you what, you freekin smoked past my 310 on the holeshot in the second moto. A little to fast that you went wide and I went tight.

[Jason Hall]

Max after racing the bike I really can't complain. The suspension Is just unbelievable. The rear linkage setup worked out GREAT, and the shock just makes everything PERFECT In the rear. I won't change anything back there. I will be changing the front forks slightly Springs & valving.

The power is the other thing that makes the 450's great. They rev like the old 2 strokers, but have awesome torque off the tight turns. My Rekluse clutch worked great, now that the carb bugs are getting worked out.

I'm very pleased also with the steering, the bike doesn't wear you out. The steering is quick and light, but doesn't dive. I will be adding a Scotts adjustable steering stabilizer, that will help at Smith Rd bigtime I think LOL.

I don't have to shift that much with the great low end torque, but I still do. That sounds kinda stupid, but I use my trans to slow down, this Is just something that I've always done and Is a hard habit to break. I have the gearing setup more for low end. At smith Rd I was In 4th on the straights. In the tight turns though I was down to 2nd when slowing down, and used 3rd alot In the turns.

Traction Is unreal, these Hondas can lay It down sweet with stock rear suspension parts, factor In the very sweet power curve and traction Is awesome. The brakes are typical Honda, they work great, but I try to stay on the throttle lol.

My holeshot In the second moto was GREAT, It was my exit from the loop where you just spanked me on the low side. You were on a mission In the second moto We (Max and I) were racing hard, max corners very well because he Is very good at flicking the bike sideways. He throws the ass end around and just slams the gas open. It took a long time to get around ol buddy. I took out the green barrel just before the woops with my left rear tire LOL. This picture was just before the barrel was bounced to the side. When Max slung the back of the bike around I was forced out causing me to hit the green barrel that says practice on It, that was close.

I wish I could see that on video. I was able to get along side of you In the woops, then just barely got by going Into the tabletop. It was some great racing Max, I enjoyed It very much. The bike Is a great MX bike, but Is also great In the trails. I do have a couple things to work on to keep the engine cool on slow trail rides, but I'll work that out. So overall the bike proved It's self to me as a good performer, and It will ge better Can't wait for Smith Rd 09

[SpeedBump]

In the second moto We (Max and I) were racing hard, max corners very well because he Is very good at flicking the bike sideways. He throws the ass end around and just slams the gas open.

Now just think if he came off some of his $$$$$ and bought an AXLE to get W I D E!!!

[3or4wheels]

Real nice bike!!What tires are those on the rears?

[Hipower]

Hey Jason, It looks like I'm going to keep this thread going with my dumb questions. What type of aluminum did you make you fuel tank out of. Where did you get the filler neck from. I like the way the sides of your fuel tank roll over to meet the top section. Did you the edge over or is there a tool I don't know about that can do this. It looks like you used solid round aluminum stock that you drilled and tapped for the shrouds and seat attachment points. If so, did you drill and tap then weld or weld then drill and tap. Thanks, Ed

[Jason Hall]

I'm not sure on the grade of the aluminum, but I do know It can be bent to a 90 deg tight angle. I would guess It's like 4043, or something softer than that. I know that 5053 Is hard to bend tight, and 6061 Is even harder. Aluminum can be anealed (Sofened). I ed the edges of my tank with a rubber mallot and a 6x6 piece of treated lumber LOL. Yes, I used round stock, threaded It then welded the end shut.