would you trade?

[Billy Golightly]

First time I've gotten involved in this thread...but I can vouch (Partly) for the fact that the Quad racer motor was not something all new. I'm pretty sure it came from an RM, but I'm not a 100% sure. But I definetly remember reading and hearing about it coming from another bike (Streetbike perhaps or something?).

[MR ATC]

Darius

First; YOU posted the quote to describe your thoughts and feelings.

second; nope

third; i simply replied to your post then YOU started posting false impressions.

such obvious HONDA envy

still waiting for YZ400 inovations

my dad can beat up your dad :evil:

answer...keep the 250R the Zilla is too slow

[200x Basket]

i dunno, MR ATC i have not seen you post one shred of evidence. you can both argue but if i were judging the debate i would sway to darius. i agree the trx250 is a better machine then the lt500 but that is only opinion

[Darius1502]

Mr ATC said talking about 500cc two stroke motors:

"the least powefull 500 two stroke motor mass produced was the suzuki RM 500, the same motor in the LT 500 but detuned"

Well looking at pictures....they really do look alike...yeah...I think Suzuki just painted the LT500 engine blue...wow you were right!!

They are exactly the same!!!!!



NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MR ATC]

did i say it was a production 1984 RM 500??? noooooooooo!

now we all know your just trying to take to focus off you because i'm still waiting for those Major techno advances the YZ400 brought us.

oh did you know that in 98? that a Honda 350X motor in a 250R chassie won the 4 stroke open championship golf cart class. did you also know at the begining of the year everyone's bets were on one of 2 YZ 400F powered 250R chassied ( they had to use a Honda chassie because the banshee is so great lol) golf carts. some advancement! a 16yr old air cooled 4 valve Honda 4 stroke 350 beat the mighty powerful and super liquid cooled 5 valve Yamaha 400. inovative my trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro...keep trying i'll let you wait on the RM 500 Some more since thats all you've got right now. i've whooped your trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro on all the other debates...

[Darius1502]

Your quote is in big text above so even you can read it.

You just keep bringing up more and more crap to divert us all away from the fact that you were wrong...dead wrong about the LT500 motor.

I am glad the 350X motor did so well...but as you know unless we are talking about a lap times with the same rider over the same track you cannot say that just because one bike won over another the motor has got to be better.

The truth is that there are so many variables included that the fact the 350X motor won may have very very little to do with the motor itself and more to do with the chassis and the rider.

As far as kicking my trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro on these debates I think that one fellow forum visitor already said that you:

1) 'have not produced a shred of evidence' and
2) that I am winning!

So please go rant and rave and give us more useless facts so that our attention can be diverted once more from the fact that you were wrong!

It is exciting to see what you can come up with next...so please keep trying to confuse the issue with your dribble!

Peace out!

[bbechtel16]

Ah, the quadzilla........... What a freaking insane quad! Now mind you, my friend has one and I rode it, like a month ago, and other than that the quickest machine I've ridden was my SX LOL. Yeah they are enormous, I'm 5' 7" 153lbs so yeah its intimidating. So anyway, I jumped on this thing, carefully got her going (not used to riding clutch and such), after getting to know her a bit, I just ripped her wide open 1-2-3-crap, out of room! I love how big and stable they are, if it weren't for that I probably would have never opened it up like I did (never rode a 2 stroke before either). Tottaly changed my outlook on quads. My most recent experience with a quad before then was my friends brothers polaris 250 2 stroke CVT (I forget the model, it is like an early version of a scrambler or something) and I was like, I don't like this, I feel much safer on my 3 wheeler. But in the damp grass field with the LT500 I could spin that thing around half decent w/o fear. Man I wanna go ride it again now after writing this.

[wanta250r]

LOOK at those motors. The carb and intake go into the engine the same way. The motor mounts are very close. The chain is on the same side. It looks like it could be derived from the RM500 -P

[MR ATC]

First time I've gotten involved in this thread...but I can vouch (Partly) for the fact that the Quad racer motor was not something all new. I'm pretty sure it came from an RM, but I'm not a 100% sure. But I definetly remember reading and hearing about it coming from another bike (Streetbike perhaps or something?).

lmfao

seems like i got one on my side... so its 1 to 1...lol

i may not have proved a RM 500 lc to you yet
but you have not proved there was not one. just a picture of a 84 RM 500 which proves nothing.

i have however given sufficant proof that the YZ 400F is not as inovative as you though and not as great as you claimed. i've given you many oportunities to prove your YZ 400 statements, but you have yet to do so.

so lets look at the score again,

RM 500 debate ;

my proof was a lc 500 ...0
your proof was not one ...0

YZ 400f debate;

my proof...no new technology, no proven race records, can be beat by 250, 125 2 strokes and 16yr old 4 strokes, not even close to a 500 2 stroke, Yamaha is a bunch of whiners, and hypocrites,...6

your proof...paid magazine testers...1

overall score 7-1

keep tryin your getting close...and entertaining me

[NOS_350X]

i just rembered that i raced a yz450f it was on sand then again on packed dirt i was at a river ridin with my friend i was on my bike and he was on my 350x and the guy came up and we started talkin i raced my 350x agenst him on the sand and i took off quicker the only time he started to catch me was in 3rd but when he shifted into 4th i pulled away until he had it peged he was about 5mph faster the on the dirt we stayed side by side until the top speed he pulled away shows the crappy yamaha power i didnt race my 125 agenst him but i wouldt be suprised if i could of kept up with him considering my yz 125 pulls better in 2-4th than my 350x

[J.D.]

I like Taco Bell.

[Darius1502]

Hey Mr ATC....

What was the last year of the RM500? Do you even know? Well guess what....it was freaking 1984!

In fact please go to this site...actually anyone who goes and reads this thread please visit this site and find for me a liquid cooled RM 500:

http://www.georgiaoffroad.com/dbindex.phtml?brand=Suzuki&modelletters=RM

The RM 500 was produced in 1983 and 1984. 1984 was the last year it was made and it was air cooled both years.

Now please MR. ATC...I am finished with you...on this thread...we can get into it later on another issue...but you have lost this battle.

If we get more people who have actually ridden a Quadzilla they will attest to its power....but if we have a bunch of dreamers like you then....we will never get the truth only a bunch of confused facts and fantasies.

No offense....and as always take care and am done with you here!

[Billy Golightly]

http://www.off-road.com/dirtbike/columns/dntask/2002_10/

4th letter Down...

985 SUZUKI RM500F
Hey,
While searching the internet for Suzuki RM500 stuff, I came across your site. I'm not sure how long ago, but a guy from Europe asked you about the specs on his 1985 RM500. You told him that Suzuki never made one.
That is absolutely not true. They made them in 1985 AND 1986. I not only own one, but also have the 1985 sales brochures (RM's and full-line), the original bill of sale from the Suzuki dealer, the original Suzuki certificate of origin (title), owner's manual, service manual, micro fiche and all service and parts receipts for it. All of them clearly state the year 1985.
There were VERY few 1985's sold in the US (less than 100), and no 1986's that I know of. They were generally Canada and overseas models. Changes for 1985 are as follows: the 1985 has a front disc brake, yellow handlebars (instead of gold), silver engine cases (instead of black), gold wheels (instead of silver), and different tank decals. The 1986 was only available overseas. Not in the US or Canada.
If he still needs the specs on his bike, feel free to give him my email. I'll give it to him straight from the Suzuki literature. You may want to post this on your site for other guys who have them.
JRS

I tested an RM 500E in 1984 (actual displacement 492 ccs) and noted that it was a heavy bike with a confused four-speed gearbox. Suzuki never offered a bike for testing in the US in 1985, and the only 500s sold were leftover 1984 models. When we contacted Suzuki for availability of testing the 1985 500, they replied: "It was not selling enough to pay for the ads. We will not offer the bike in the US this year." I have no idea what happened in Canada or Europe.

If they made the 85 and 86 RM500, what was to keep them from redesigning an 87 and give it watercooling?

[Billy Golightly]

http://www.jhmsport.com/Velar_og_Velarhlutir/DEP_Ror_og_kutar/Suzuki_hljodkutar/suzuki_hljodkutar.html

At this page there is a list of Suzuki RM500's from 83-86. Not sure what language the page is in...

http://www.rageperformance.com/repairmanualssuzuki.asp

This page lists repair manuals for the RM500 to 88 (Possibly a mis-print)


http://www.onoffroad.com/multiair.html

This page lists 84-86 RM500




Last night I tried searching the Suzuki of Japan website for a list of bikes made, but I know zero japanese and the online translator didn't do too good of a job.

[Jeb]

I personally witnessed in the summer of '00, an LT500 Quadzilla with a shiny nickel plated pipe get beat in a drag race 4 out of 4 times by a new stock Polaris Scrambler 500. It was heartbreaking.

I like to bring that up to rib quadzilla guys, :-D it is truth, but there's a reason why: the quadzilla wasn't healthy! it had some motor problems. It was getting taken off the line and was coughing and sputtering and then it crapped out in a 5th drag race. That's my only experience with a Quadzilla.

As for the RM500 debate, Seems like I remember Suzuki having a European Works liquid cooled rm500. I have no photographic proof right now and could be wrong. I'd have to go back through some of my early 80's dirt bike mags. There were all kinds of one-off un-obtainable "works" rides back in the day. And there's always been a different market across the pond with some unusual bikes produced that were not available here. I would say that if the LT500 motor has a counter-balancer, then it would have to be classified as an ATV engine, just like the ATC & TRX 250R motor and the KXF 250 Tecate-4 Motor. Its obvious all the 250 2-stroke ATV motors borrowed heavily from MX-er Technology, some more than others. After all, the KXT 250 A & B engines, aside from a few differences, were straight out of the KX 250s. So I don't think it unreasonable to say the LT500 motor borrowed heavily from RM500 Technology.

:-D