Swinger Bushing or Needle bearings

[Dirtcrasher]

There are some really great plastics out there that in certain applications are a great choice.

Like the guys were saying, unless that OEM or other sleeve is in between the 2 nylon bushings, then there HAS to be some binding because your pulling the frame rails into the swinger rails when you tighten the swinger bolt.

The bolt gets torqued to the spec and thats it, I can't imagine that tightening it till it binds and then backing it off a hair is a good idea.

If you have the money, I'd go OEM. But, I wouldn't hesitate to give the nylon bushings a try if they do use a spacer.

It's similar to your front wheel bearings or rear carrier bearings, without that sleeve between the bearings, they are going to bind when the axle is tightened between the 2 bearings and collars.

The only other problem with plastics is stiction. Needle bearings are super smooth and there is no friction in a radial movement. Suspension is meant to be smooth and thats why needle bearings are used not to mention the rigidity of the setup.

I would not use them without the collar between them.

[Mrs.Mosh]

"Any plastic or rubber bushing will deflect...... that’s a fact" Maybe, but x.systems are made of delrin. Needle Bearings were designed to reduce friction at a rotating surface, not a pivoting surface. That’s why bushings are superior in my opinion. X systems bushings are the best, I bought 5 sets, still have the first set installed, zero slop, and worry free.

I have to agree here. We Just threw some in Mosh's 250r,and mine is next.

[cr480r]

Running the swingarm bolt anything less than tight is just like loosening up a motor mount... Think about it... I dont see any problems with the delrin material, but until they come with an inner sleeve to allow proper tightening... I wont be buying them... Properly greased bearings have proved to work just fine...