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    250SX Bead Breaking

    I just got a new set of rear rims for my 250SX. The tires are relatively new and are on the stock rims, and i need to get them off. I used my handy dandy Harbor Freight tire changer, and I can't break those beads to save my life. There's a crazy bump about an inch down and I can't get past it. Anyone have any tricks to get 250SX tires off the stock rims?
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    God knows they're not looking to make any effort to do anything, never mind move their foot to shift. If there was something that dispensed Cheetos every time they shifted that might be a different story. Welcome to America, where the biggest is best and even fat people who are too lazy to shift can climb a mountain.

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    drive over the edge fo the tire with a car or preferably heavy truck and drive closer and closer to the rim and it usualy works. fyi let the air out first and pullthe valve core.
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    I let out as much air as I could, but my valve core tool is elsewhere at the moment. Maybe that would make all the difference?
    Quote Originally Posted by fabiodriven View Post
    God knows they're not looking to make any effort to do anything, never mind move their foot to shift. If there was something that dispensed Cheetos every time they shifted that might be a different story. Welcome to America, where the biggest is best and even fat people who are too lazy to shift can climb a mountain.

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    Push the tire down as far as you can until you can see into the darkness. Then get some C4 and put some into the darkness. Then put a fuse into the darkness and light the other end and RUN
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    you may be able to use a pair of needle nose to get the valve out.

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    You could run over the tire with your car. I've done that. Or jack your car up, put the tire under the car tire and let the car down.
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    Sgp56, youre soooo helpful. I should have taken your suggestion. I would have had the same result.

    I ended up making the valve tool and got the core removed. Still no luck with the tire changer. Then I ran my Explorer over it a few times and got it the bead broken! Then I used the changer to get the tire off the rim, but I forgot one major important thing. You're supposed to use some sort of lube to help the lever slide around the rim when getting the tire out, and I didn't do that. So the bead is ruined. I could still use a tube of course, but the main reason I bought new rims was because I didn't want to use tubes anymore. Sigh. Lesson learned, I guess.

    By the way, what do you guys use for lube to mount and unmount tires? Those of you crazy or stubborn enough to keep doing it yourselves, that is?
    Quote Originally Posted by fabiodriven View Post
    God knows they're not looking to make any effort to do anything, never mind move their foot to shift. If there was something that dispensed Cheetos every time they shifted that might be a different story. Welcome to America, where the biggest is best and even fat people who are too lazy to shift can climb a mountain.

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    I decided to try the second one, and I wasn't able to budge it. Not with the tire changer and not with the car. They must've used some kind of sealer on it, because it's really on there. Anyway, I know when I'm beat. I'll take it to the tire shop on Monday, but it looks like I'm going to have to get at least one tire.

    The tires I had on there are plain ol' Cheng Shin knobbies. I've had them for a year, and they've done well for me, but I was wondering if anyone had any better recommendations. We do a lot of turf, and a lot of gravel, very little mud and no sand. I don't want to spend too much....
    Quote Originally Posted by fabiodriven View Post
    God knows they're not looking to make any effort to do anything, never mind move their foot to shift. If there was something that dispensed Cheetos every time they shifted that might be a different story. Welcome to America, where the biggest is best and even fat people who are too lazy to shift can climb a mountain.

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    Friggin tires, they are so frustrating!! Then you have the ones that come off easy but they either slip on the rim or leak at the bead!

    Too bad the Harbor Freight tool wouldn't work. I have one of them too but haven't used it yet. I did bolt it down to the cement though :grin:

    I've cut tires off before with a razor knife and then used dikes on the bead and wire reinforcing......
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    I use a hi lift jack under my jeep bumper. Those beads are a major pain in the arse, took me about 40 min to change two tires.

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    wow i usualy us ethe excavator track and the bucket and break the bead sbut once in a whiel they slip and puncute sidewalls
    ok here goes, 85 atc70,2 84 atc70's 83 alt50,83 atc110 , 70 us 90 parot green, 85/86 350x garage queen, stock rider 85 350x, project 85 350x 85 250r drag bike, 2 85 250sx's, alt185, , scat tracker?99blaster,85 250r rider,85 250r ice racer project ,93 kx500,99 xr200r, 91 dr250s ,89 lt500 quadzilla,88 lt250quadracer, 88 trx250r race full on race quad,, 01 yamahakodiak400, kawaki kd100,lt50 for my doughters,93 300ex, 230 quadsport, lt185, lt250 quadrunner,84200s, is that enough?

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    If I know I'm not saving the tire; I use a sawzall to cut the tire off and then a and cold chisel to cut the wires in the bead.

    Now that I think about it; I've never removed a tire from an SX rim without cutting the tire up.
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    THe high lift jack is the best way to go! Since you can get the base right on the lip of the rim and start jacking up a truck/car and give it a few pumps and its off. Flip it to the other side and pop it off. I have yet to find another tool to do it other than shop machines.
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    I've used the Harbor Freight tool a couple of other times, and it's worked fine. These were just really bad ones. Now I've learned my lesson. If I've got rims that rusty, get new rims!

    By the way, mine's bolted to the floor too. I guess some people have bolted them to boards but right into the concrete is the way to go!
    Quote Originally Posted by fabiodriven View Post
    God knows they're not looking to make any effort to do anything, never mind move their foot to shift. If there was something that dispensed Cheetos every time they shifted that might be a different story. Welcome to America, where the biggest is best and even fat people who are too lazy to shift can climb a mountain.

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    tire shops are real handy ,thats what i do when i put new tires on a customers quad / trike tires ,,and i have a machine.

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