Honda's thoughts on the 1981 ATC250R

[factoryX]

ok, why then can some one build a 250r with slight mods, to be faster than a tecate and still be able to hold is reliabilty? tecate was a good bike but they did things kind of wierd...


also, Why can I find a tecate that has been sitting for 19 years because of engine grenade, when I can find a running 250r's all day?

[edog]

ok, why then can some one build a 250r with slight mods, to be faster than a tecate and still be able to hold is reliabilty? tecate was a good bike but they did things kind of wierd...


also, Why can I find a tecate that has been sitting for 19 years because of engine grenade, when I can find a running 250r's all day?

Well said!

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Then how do you explain this?


Just kidding, i have always liked kawi's and will admit they do seem to make far better machines

Well, money, better rider, better tuner, it could be a myriad of reasons. Those bikes are far from stock. Who knows what mods have been done. I know you aren't getting too serious in this debate but I'm just sayin. I don't want to get into a full blown argument over this stuff but a case can be made and hold plenty of water in favor of the Tecate.

[Hoosier_Daddy]

ok, why then can some one build a 250r with slight mods, to be faster than a tecate and still be able to hold is reliabilty? tecate was a good bike but they did things kind of wierd...


also, Why can I find a tecate that has been sitting for 19 years because of engine grenade, when I can find a running 250r's all day?

Really? That's news to me because there are plenty of Tecates on Ebay that are running just fine. Just because you found a single Tecate at some point that had a blown engine doesn't mean they were all bad. Also, you can find 250Rs still running because everybody has one and most people who bought them just trail rode them or just used them for recreation. Tecates were racing machines with that single purpose and most people who had them beat them to death because of it. I can assure you, if you go looking for Hondas that have been beat to death in races throughout the years, you'll find plenty of blown engines as well. With that being said, I give Honda the nod for dependability. I've heard things about Tecates and dependability even though I never experienced those problems myself. Honda does have a reputation for dependability. And I give them credit. I've owned plenty of hondas and they were all good solid bikes.

The bottom line for me is, I love the 250R's, Tri Z's and Tecates. But we all take a bit of an alligence to a manufacturer. I happen to be a Ford guy and also like old Pontiacs. But you'll never see me sitting back and spewing that the 70 LS6 Chevelle wasn't an excellent monster of a car just because I don't like Chevy. Because that's crazy talk. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and give credit where credit is due.

[chris200x]

Everyone is intitled to an opinion so here is mine! I would put honda relabilitlity up against a kawasaki any day of the week. I would much rather be a mile or two an hour slower than always be in the garage wrenchin on my ride. IMO

[ProCarbine2k1]

I dont think anyone can argue Honda's reliablity over any other make. Not to say Kawasaki, Yamaha, or Suzuki didnt make fine machines, but there is a reason for Honda's "cult like following." I say this unbiased, I wouldnt trade my Yamaha or Kawasaki for the world!

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Yes, Honda has the edge on dependability. But when did this discussion turn from who has the baddest, fastest bike to reliability?

That's always the excuse for the Honda guys to fall back on when these discussions come up so I'll let 'em have it. haha

[big schott]

yeah but kawi lead the way when it came to the innovation of liquid cooling, not honda. kawi dropped the first liquid cooled 250 2 stroke motor into a trike chassis in 83 ( 84 model kxt250 a1 ). honda followed the leader this time not the other way around. and from that day on kawi was the major thorn in hondas side.!!!! ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

But they're GREEN!!!!,,, The color of frogs and lizzards aaaannnndddd,,,,,,Puke.

Just kidding, Kawi has its place in history.

Plus,, It is a Three wheeler, and that makes us friends

[Merge_88]

I have both, I ride both, and I love both. Who the hell cares........lets go racin'!!!

[factoryX]

Really? That's news to me because there are plenty of Tecates on Ebay that are running just fine. Just because you found a single Tecate at some point that had a blown engine doesn't mean they were all bad. Also, you can find 250Rs still running because everybody has one and most people who bought them just trail rode them or just used them for recreation. Tecates were racing machines with that single purpose and most people who had them beat them to death because of it. I can assure you, if you go looking for Hondas that have been beat to death in races throughout the years, you'll find plenty of blown engines as well. With that being said, I give Honda the nod for dependability. I've heard things about Tecates and dependability even though I never experienced those problems myself. Honda does have a reputation for dependability. And I give them credit. I've owned plenty of hondas and they were all good solid bikes.

The bottom line for me is, I love the 250R's, Tri Z's and Tecates. But we all take a bit of an alligence to a manufacturer. I happen to be a Ford guy and also like old Pontiacs. But you'll never see me sitting back and spewing that the 70 LS6 Chevelle wasn't an excellent monster of a car just because I don't like Chevy. Because that's crazy talk. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and give credit where credit is due.

ok, type 250r on ebay and see how many pop up, running... yes kawi is fast but also likes a certain corner in the garage too. I like tri-z's yes they are not the fastest bike, but I like them. kawi has supurb handling but it has a non bullit proof motor that would like to go bang... I have seen multiple t3/t4's on craigs list with 1st,2nd,3rd gear completely blown out.. the only R's that I have sean this happen is the chain snapping and cracks the case causing it to shatter a gear.

[dansvan]

Build a better mouse trap and the world will beat a path to your door. 250R=better mouse trap?

[Hoosier_Daddy]

ok, why then can some one build a 250r with slight mods, to be faster than a tecate and still be able to hold is reliabilty? tecate was a good bike but they did things kind of wierd...


also, Why can I find a tecate that has been sitting for 19 years because of engine grenade, when I can find a running 250r's all day?

So you can find a 19 year old 250R that still runs but not a Tecate? Then why does every 250R listed on ebay right now have a rebuilt engine? Something had to give in order to feel the need to rebuild right?

Also, if it's so easy to find a "grenaded" Tecate, then please post a few links to them so I can check it out. All the ones on ebay run good and the ones I can find on craigslist are fine. I think you rely on hear-say too much. You're a Honda guy and you're so used to shootin' the breeze with the other Honda guys that you haven't actually listened to what you guys were saying when your crackin' on the Kawasaki's. Am I right? Have you ever owned or experienced a Tecate for yourself?

[WaimakRydah]

if what some of you are saying is true then how come a second hand KXF250 usually is alot cheaper then a CRF250R which is the same year?

[factoryX]

4 tecates on ebay right now, 1 quad, 3 trikes, 1 not running... ok, another thing is people get the bike and want to make sure every thing is good by rebuilding the whole motor running or not... people buy tecate's, rebuild them only to have them blow up after a month of use... they where ment to do one thing, race and that was about it... honda was able to make a race bike compatible for other riding options...

I am not ripping kawi's, my dad has owned 2 of them, a 85 and a 86 loved them both very much was about to buy another untill he decided to do some research and decided to stay away... the 85 one was his/brothers and it was caught speeding on a highway at 115mph(grandfather owned a repo buisness).

yamaha has a water pump issue and it likes to blow up the motor.

what ever your opinion is....

[factoryX]

if what some of you are saying is true then how come a second hand KXF250 usually is alot cheaper then a CRF250R which is the same year?

newer bikes are good, people are just hyped up on crank about honda bikes being the best...