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    We have only noticed overheating, climbing Long mountain hills(1500 feet and longer) Repeatedly on hot days.They will start spiiting coolant from the overflow hose on the front right shock or pipe and you can smell it,so we shut them down and let them cool off.

    In tight technical trails with a 2 into 1 pipe,they will run hot after about 30 minutes of slow putting around on a 80+ degree day(depending on humidty).We let them cool down for about 20 minutes and they are good to go.They dont overheat with dual pipes so much.And On wide open trails and fire roads,they will not overheat,as they have alot of airflow going thru the radiators.

    The changes made were these...From what we have gathered.

    87-90 engines had a 1mm longer rod in them or a 1 mm variance in the factory specs....So we have heard...(We think this is why the older motors run harder.)We have also heard the jugs were ported different from the factory,but cant verify that.The cases in these years also had a provision for a speedometer.

    The 87-90 Shee also had a 4 bolt carrier and a 4 bolt sprocket hub,which you can get a smaller rear sprocket on vs. the 91 and up Shee.(Better for drag racing as far as gearing selection goes)The 91 and up shee had a 2 bolt carrier design.
    The 87-90 shee aslo came stock with a 42 tooth rear sprocket,the 91 and up ran a 41 tooth rear sprocket.

    The 87-90 Shee ran a different frt caliper set-up,that uses Tri-Z brake pads and older Warrior front brake pads.

    The 87-90 frames had no provisions for factory nerf bars.91 and up included factory floor boards and nerf bars.

    87-90 Had a J arm front suspension(which steers much better than than the 91 and up Shee)and also wieghed about 40 pound less than the A-arm model Shee's.But the side effect was weaker front end,that would bend the J-arms on hard impacts.

    Really,the only thing they changed,was the electrical plugs on them.I dont remember the year cut-offs,but they switched from round style electrical connectors to square connectors and so on.Later on,they added a brake light and some different cosmetics.

    The 87-90 had a lower profile seat foam vs. 91 and up shee's.

    But If you transfer the electrical system from them,the older engines will bolt in newer frames,but you must use the matching wire harness for that particular year electrical system.

    My shee has a 93 chassis,with a 89 motor and wiring system and CDI box.The older motors,do run stronger than the later motors.My set-up smoked Mosh's with the older motor as far as lowend hit,but his 96 motor outpulled mine.They both were set-up Identical with the same jetting,porting and pipes.He could get me on the top end.

    Around here,you can get a low hour 2000 and up shee for around 2 grand that is really clean and nice.Maybe even with pipes and tires added.
    Just up the road there is a 98 that we can get for 1700,that is all stock and very clean.
    I love mine,and you wont pry it from my dead hands.But Mosh and I take extreme care of it,and It has been completely reliable.There are some secrets to making them last longer with no problems.

    Another thing we do like, is the rear bearings get about 4 years out of them vs. a Honda every year needing the carrier rebuilt.They are a pain to adjust the chain,but considering the rear bearing longevity,it is a fair trade off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs.moshman View Post
    We have only noticed overheating, climbing Long mountain hills(1500 feet and longer) Repeatedly on hot days.They will start spiiting coolant from the overflow hose on the front right shock or pipe and you can smell it,so we shut them down and let them cool off.

    In tight technical trails with a 2 into 1 pipe,they will run hot after about 30 minutes of slow putting around on a 80+ degree day(depending on humidty).We let them cool down for about 20 minutes and they are good to go.They dont overheat with dual pipes so much.And On wide open trails and fire roads,they will not overheat,as they have alot of airflow going thru the radiators.

    The changes made were these...From what we have gathered.

    87-90 engines had a 1mm longer rod in them or a 1 mm variance in the factory specs....So we have heard...(We think this is why the older motors run harder.)We have also heard the jugs were ported different from the factory,but cant verify that.The cases in these years also had a provision for a speedometer.

    The 87-90 Shee also had a 4 bolt carrier and a 4 bolt sprocket hub,which you can get a smaller rear sprocket on vs. the 91 and up Shee.(Better for drag racing as far as gearing selection goes)The 91 and up shee had a 2 bolt carrier design.
    The 87-90 shee aslo came stock with a 42 tooth rear sprocket,the 91 and up ran a 41 tooth rear sprocket.

    The 87-90 Shee ran a different frt caliper set-up,that uses Tri-Z brake pads and older Warrior front brake pads.

    The 87-90 frames had no provisions for factory nerf bars.91 and up included factory floor boards and nerf bars.

    87-90 Had a J arm front suspension(which steers much better than than the 91 and up Shee)and also wieghed about 40 pound less than the A-arm model Shee's.But the side effect was weaker front end,that would bend the J-arms on hard impacts.

    Really,the only thing they changed,was the electrical plugs on them.I dont remember the year cut-offs,but they switched from round style electrical connectors to square connectors and so on.Later on,they added a brake light and some different cosmetics.

    The 87-90 had a lower profile seat foam vs. 91 and up shee's.

    But If you transfer the electrical system from them,the older engines will bolt in newer frames,but you must use the matching wire harness for that particular year electrical system.

    My shee has a 93 chassis,with a 89 motor and wiring system and CDI box.The older motors,do run stronger than the later motors.My set-up smoked Mosh's with the older motor as far as lowend hit,but his 96 motor outpulled mine.They both were set-up Identical with the same jetting,porting and pipes.He could get me on the top end.

    Around here,you can get a low hour 2000 and up shee for around 2 grand that is really clean and nice.Maybe even with pipes and tires added.
    Just up the road there is a 98 that we can get for 1700,that is all stock and very clean.
    I love mine,and you wont pry it from my dead hands.But Mosh and I take extreme care of it,and It has been completely reliable.There are some secrets to making them last longer with no problems.

    Another thing we do like, is the rear bearings get about 4 years out of them vs. a Honda every year needing the carrier rebuilt.They are a pain to adjust the chain,but considering the rear bearing longevity,it is a fair trade off.
    Thanks for the info!

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    thanks mrs moshman...now to find someone willing to do a trade.

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    Take a look at Banshee HQ. You may find someone over there interested.

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    banshees are bad azzzz sooo many performance kits upgrades ect..
    stock they are bad azzzz
    id love to get a junk one and rebuild it it would hold its value
    if you can get one get one- but if it has not had tune ups it will need the usual stuff
    2stokes- use klotz oil,and you will have a lot less problems fouling plugs ect... even if you mix rich on the oil
    2stokes have been around 4 ever - just tune them well ,and they will last no need to run a quart of oil with 1 gal of gas-
    AND YES THEY WERE MADE TO SIT ,AND IDLE-
    so EVERYONE stop listing to people that dont know crapp about 2 strokes
    --- i mean hell they just made them to run in japan all day long- a primary source of transportation
    why would they make them idle--

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    Yea, I ran mine for 3 days straight without really doing much WOT, and it never overheated or anything, hell, you could never even feel heat off the pipes, now my 4-strokes, they sit for 10 minutes and you feel the heat radiating off the pipes lol.

    I'm sellin mine on the ebay though :P, ran into some debt, damn good bike, but it's the one I can sell for the most .

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    Still thinking about one Goat?


    Here ya go in your neck of the woods

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    I don't really have the money at the moment...but I did throw a few hundred dollar bid on it. If I win...oh well, I'll sell a kidney or something.

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    I'd like to have that banshee and rebuild it, but i really dont have the time or money, im looking to pay off my truck and i have a new outlaw on the way.
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    They are fun to tear down and rebuild, and you can build them to whatever you want (riding style). Mine used to be an 87 all around, now its an 87 Engine with an 02 Frame, which I mostly wanted for A-arms. If you do get your hands on a banshee, enjoy modding it. Even if it takes awhile to get it to where you want it, you'll be happy.

    And as others have said, jetting is the main thing for them and well proper maintenance. As far as the 2:1 carb goes, if you do lots of trail riding, mx riding, that sorta thing. Then yes maybe you will want a 2:1. Or if you do wide open riding, drags, dunes, that sorta thing. Personally I would go with dual carbs being as if they are tuned right, you will see more HP, and they are better for top end pull.
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    I've only ridden one, and I wasent impressed at all. I've heard the only thing they are good for is hill climbing, and drags if set up right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hondaatc185S200E View Post
    I've only ridden one, and I wasent impressed at all. I've heard the only thing they are good for is hill climbing, and drags if set up right.
    your not to far off......lol
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    Also interested in getting a Banshee, an all black 04 thats stock except nerfs, bumper and tires. Looks real clean in the pics I have of it.

    I love the handling of my 08 450R, I haven't rode anything that is as easy to ride fast as this thing. The motor I do not like overly well for slow riding. Its peakish like a smallbore twostroke and lets you know it doesn't like to lug. My Tecate had a lot more useable lowend then the R, even now with the R geared lower.

    I do a lot of aggressive trail riding in tight woods as well as fast twisty fireroads where you can blast it from turn to turn.

    I really want to get back on a twostroke and when my sled sells I'll be going to get that Banshee unless I find a 700 Raptor for a good price.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYOKa_LodhI

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