Electrical on atc's... ac or dc? converter?

**roger86200x** · 09-09-2008, 11:32 PM

OK,

the lights on atcs are run on AC power right? - from the stator....

Whats the esiest ay to get DC on a trike? Like for a gps or cell phone charger, etc...

Roger

**Rex Karz** · 09-10-2008, 01:05 AM

All three of your trikes should have a shunt regulator to provide a DC output. I would post-regulate with a 3-pin TO-220 device with an additional heatsink. I will be putting a small air compressor on my 250R to run my air shifter and for tires. Can't hurt for desert riding.

**McDerry** · 09-10-2008, 01:55 AM

Most trikes run AC unregulated. Lightbulbs don't care if its ac or dc, only that they have a wattage requirement to match the resistance off the coil. Even the BR's ran mostly ac. They used a regulator rectifier (4 pole rectifier and a shunt regulator inside a heatsink)to harge the battery andpower the acc. terminal. A rectifier diode which are cheap will convert the ac to a very dirty dc. Youll want a regulator in the system and a battery to act as a storage device and to clean up the dc signal. the battery will charge with it unregulated, but its life will be shortened, and you wouldnt want a digital device in the system.

**smvorndran** · 09-10-2008, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by McDerry

Most trikes run AC unregulated. Lightbulbs don't care if its ac or dc, only that they have a wattage requirement to match the resistance off the coil.

I respectfully disagree with that. From all my experience, all bulbs on Hondas are 6 volt or 12 volt DC. A stator always puts out AC current, which will light your a-s-s up if they're exposed. The rectifier regulator puts it over to DC. I'd only run a GPS or cell phone charger off a bike with a battery.

smvorndran

**roger86200x** · 09-10-2008, 12:13 PM

Thanks...

I didnt realize that the voltage regulator also had a rectifier in it to convert ac/dc... thats good news. I think Ill put my meter on it and check the output to see what its like... I do not want to add a battery to a 250r or 200x.... the added weight would be pointless. DC isnt picky either, as long as its not going over 12v everything should be fine... just to charge another battery in a gps or cell phone I dont think it'll matter.

I also have another creative idea that I'll post pics of when its done. Ive never see it done to a 250r or 200x so we'll see...

Roger

**83ATC185S** · 09-10-2008, 02:17 PM

I dont see the point in trying to get power out of your trike, Charge your gps/cell phone in your truck before you leave, should be fine. Just seems like more hassle than its worth.

**McDerry** · 09-11-2008, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by smvorndran

I respectfully disagree with that. From all my experience, all bulbs on Hondas are 6 volt or 12 volt DC. A stator always puts out AC current, which will light your a-s-s up if they're exposed. The rectifier regulator puts it over to DC. I'd only run a GPS or cell phone charger off a bike with a battery.

smvorndran

You do realize on honda's alone there is no regulator rectifier on a US90, ATC90, ATC110, ACT185, ATC185s, ATC200, ATC200s, ATC70, ATC200x, ATC350x, ATC250r. Infact the only honda three wheelers with a Rectifier Regulator are the ATC125m, ATC200m, ATC200es, ATC200e, ATC250es, ATC250sx (all of which use a 4 pole rectifier and a shunt regulator to charge the battery for the starter). Yet then they all use a lightbulb that says either 6v or 12v dc.

The light bulb doesnt matter, its like a toaster it just draws x amount of watts, heats up and glows. Unless you have a battery on the system (electric start equipped bikes) there is no rectifier or regulator. Theres no reason to have one if all there is is lights on the circuit.

Unless you already have a 12v dc powersource (battery) on the machine. You'll want a rectifier diode (nota 4 pole as you won't easily have 4 poles) and a shunt regulator from radio shack (like $15 in stuff) and a 12v battery to work as a filter for the current from the rectifier.

**roger86200x** · 09-11-2008, 07:58 AM

lol, ill have to check it this weekend after I get the motor back in and Ill let ya know if its ac or dc... this is gonna get heated

**leokendall** · 09-11-2008, 11:39 AM

just get a voltage regulator and a rectifer of a snowmobile or something. i'm not 100 percent sure but the one wire regulator from a voltage regulator on a ski-doo just splice it into one of *Edited**Edited* power wires and ground the body of the regulator to *Edited**Edited* frame of *Edited**Edited* trike. the try and find a rectifer and hook it up comming from the starter to the rectifer then on to the wiring harness.

don't quote me on this, and double check with a multi meter. I have done this setup on an old honda dirtbike i had. a xl100

**leokendall** · 09-11-2008, 11:41 AM

another note some 12 volt batteries are quite small these days, or even yet buy 9 recharable aa or aaa batteriers and put them in series to get 12 volts. small enough to place anywear.

**tundrawolf** · 03-29-2010, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by McDerry

You do realize on honda's alone there is no regulator rectifier on a US90, ATC90, ATC110, ACT185, ATC185s, ATC200, ATC200s, ATC70, ATC200x, ATC350x, ATC250r. Infact the only honda three wheelers with a Rectifier Regulator are the ATC125m, ATC200m, ATC200es, ATC200e, ATC250es, ATC250sx (all of which use a 4 pole rectifier and a shunt regulator to charge the battery for the starter). Yet then they all use a lightbulb that says either 6v or 12v dc.

The light bulb doesnt matter, its like a toaster it just draws x amount of watts, heats up and glows. Unless you have a battery on the system (electric start equipped bikes) there is no rectifier or regulator. Theres no reason to have one if all there is is lights on the circuit.

Unless you already have a 12v dc powersource (battery) on the machine. You'll want a rectifier diode (nota 4 pole as you won't easily have 4 poles) and a shunt regulator from radio shack (like $15 in stuff) and a 12v battery to work as a filter for the current from the rectifier.

Dear sir, you have confirmed what I have thought about my ATC 110. Let me guess-the headlight acts as a regulator. The output is from 20 VAC to mid to high 40's VAC. I want to put a regulator/rectifier on my trike. Can anyone provide a schematic or at least the part number to such a device? I'd like to run one of those cigarette lighter air compressors, because I just came home 5 miles of hard desert riding with one flat tire.

**dajeepman** · 03-29-2010, 11:16 PM

Thats crazy guys... every honda I been on that was electric start all produced DC If Im not mistaken the stator produce DC not AC.. car alternators produce AC then converts it to DC.

**tri again** · 03-30-2010, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by McDerry

You do realize on honda's alone there is no regulator rectifier on a US90, ATC90, ATC110, ACT185, ATC185s, ATC200, ATC200s, ATC70, ATC200x, ATC350x, ATC250r. Infact the only honda three wheelers with a Rectifier Regulator are the ATC125m, ATC200m, ATC200es, ATC200e, ATC250es, ATC250sx (all of which use a 4 pole rectifier and a shunt regulator to charge the battery for the starter). Yet then they all use a lightbulb that says either 6v or 12v dc.

The light bulb doesnt matter, its like a toaster it just draws x amount of watts, heats up and glows. Unless you have a battery on the system (electric start equipped bikes) there is no rectifier or regulator. Theres no reason to have one if all there is is lights on the circuit.

Unless you already have a 12v dc powersource (battery) on the machine. You'll want a rectifier diode (nota 4 pole as you won't easily have 4 poles) and a shunt regulator from radio shack (like $15 in stuff) and a 12v battery to work as a filter for the current from the rectifier.

oh wait,
damn, I thought I had something there.

The cdi takes ac from the stator and makes dc for the coil.
I'd really like to know the ac output from the stator coil in watts for the ignition circuit.

I've heard that lighting coils can put out a couple hundred watts. but never heard about ignition stator watts wise.
ac volts from 40 to 100 is ok?

which leads me to my next question.

If your ignition stator is bad, why cant we steal some ac power from the lighting coil??
too hot?
fry cdi?

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