Lifan - where to buy online?

[oneclick]

I'm looking to buy a lifan 70, 90 or 110 for my atc 70.

i'm wanting electric start and manual clutch (4 down), i'm looking for websites that sell them reasonably priced with carb, wiring, etc... i've checked ebay and found none like this at the moment, i also know of the dratv.com and hooperimports.com

I've found a couple other sites but all are "out of stock", where is everyone buying theirs at?


Jason

[Autophysn]

Dude! Stay away from those
you will have no low end power
They need to rev way up before you can get any real ponies
Find another bike with a good motor and go from there
Please, stay away
Been there
done that
dealing with it now
But if you are still interested
I have a brand new quad I will sell you
$500

[Autophysn]

you could also find them here, so you know I am not a total jerk, But don't say I did not warn you
http://www.hooperimports.com/dept.aspx?dept_id=02

[oneclick]

i'm not looking for any kind of power... this 70 is for my 9yr old son, i just need it to be dependable (start-up wise) and something i won't have to constantly mess with. i was going to rebuild the original 70 engine, or rebuild the z5o that's on it... but i feel i'd be constantly messing around with it in one way or another... brand new is the easiest route to go for this particular situation...

however - i did just order a carb kit, intake gasket, new plugs, and jet/needle/slide set... i'm at least giving the 50 engine that's currently on it, one very last chance before going lifan! LOL...

and i already knew of hooperimports... that's about the only site i know of that has them in stock, every other place i found are out of stock.

anyone else know of any other places that would have them in stock?

Jason

[The Goat]

just waiting for vealmonkey to chime on in. he's got alot of experience with the 70s. There is no reason it would have to rev up to get power...

there is the option of ordering the 88cc honda kit from dr. atv and slapping it on top of a 70 bottom end.

usually I'd be saying buy the lifan... but the 70s are bulletproof little engines.

[Autophysn]

My son is 8 and has a real hard time when he is in soft land, ie sand, grass, gravel, soft dirt. I have to push him, just to get him going.
Believe me, there is no substitute for an original Honda motor.
I have 2 of these engines, 90cc and 110cc
both have to be moving before they can achieve any kind of torque.
I have fought with trying to up grade the clutches and gearing, nothing works.
I understand your issue, he is just a kid, but if you enjoy chasing him around to push him just to get moving, be my guest

Ebay
store call t motorsport, they have plenty

search Lifan or Loncin on Ebay
You will find plenty of people there

http://www.rnrfabrication.com/lifanengine.htm

http://www.t-motorsports.com/

http://www.rabbitscooters.com/products/gocarts.htm

http://nstmotor.com/

http://www.smallenginewarehouse.com/ProductList.asp
these guys may interest you as well

All of these places have them, But Hooper is the best
I wish you good luck, and please remember to change the oil immeadiately
The Chinese use a fish based motor oil
will burn the motor and clutch very quickly.

As for being dependant, no help there either. Always having starting issues.
Everything from bad CDI's to poor starters failing with in a month.

don't believe me
check this forum out

http://forums.atvrideronline.com/69/...nce/index.html

read thru and even if you can, talk to a guy by the name of Wolf1

3 months after you bought it, he will be your new best friend.
Cheers!

[Autophysn]

Got to agree with the Goat as well

I have delt with Dr. ATV
Great guy and products

He too has these Chinese clone motors

[bad350]

as far as take off power goes, why don't you change the gearing via sprockets so it takes off better?

[Autophysn]

That's what I thought, but first off, try to find the parts for these damn things, second, I dropped the count on the forward sprocket, and it did help for hills, but not the start stop fatigue

I only wish to warn people of the problems I have encountered. These Chinese things are not worth it! They are more problems than they are worth, and would hate to see anyone go thru the problems I have encountered. The smile on my kids face is too precious to me for the down time I have had to deal with. I know a Honda would have just been go go go

[The Goat]

Having a lifan, I can say that they are quite the substitute for the original honda motor.

I have an idea about your weak take off though...what's your carb size? my 200cc came with a 30mm...way too big.

[oldtime3wheeler]

My '83 70 motor pulls my 200+lb body pretty well. My son(who is 5) flies on his '84 70. I agree the Honda motors are bullet proof. Once either of them starts to die Im going with the 88cc kit.

[Autophysn]

couldn't tell you Goat, I am just so burnt on the whole thing. I will never buy another Chinese anything again.
Bet the 200 is a whole other deal though.
However I feel like I have driven this thread in the wrong direction, and would like to appologize for that. Just hate to see other's travel down a bumpy road I have been on, compared to the nice and easy

[Autophysn]

oooohh
let me clarify something, In no way am I disrepecting the Honda Motors.
I too have a 82 70cc ATC that carries my 325lbs. around quiet easily. My 110cc has no problem either. My only point is, the replacement Chinese motors will never compare. To do a $300 engine swapp and expect the same performance is just not gonna happen.
Please forgive me if I have offended anyone

[brapp]

i cant complain i ahve used the chinease cdi set up on my stock 70 motor for huge power increases and gained timign advance and as far as the chineas emotor have had no problem when geared corectlr for the riders weight and ridign conditions for a child its may be a cheap alternative and mos tof the chinease motors are exact copies of the 70 and 110 and 90 motors just usign chinease metals and berings not the japanese like honda did so long ago. either way things arent made how they once were.

[Vealmonkey]

I'm not quite sure what you are doing. I've had good resutlts with the lifan engines. I can direct you to a website that over half the 70s over there have "chinese" engines in them and they are doing all kinds of things with them, including lots or large grown men racing them in the sand. I'm not sure of the maker for your engine, what kind of carb your running, what kind of sprockets and such. I can tell you this, if your son isn't downshifting to a lower gear, then it doesn't matter, cause the "chinese" engine or the honda engine won't pull you out. Maybe you should try and find your son a nice trizinger, no shifting and one speed. Maybe you should try different tires. I don't think it can get much softer than sand, maybe mud, but I'm not sure what you are talking about as far as soft ground. You can get different sprockets for the rear sprocket for an atc70, but you will have to do some looking. For the majority of people, the "chinese" engines are the way to go since they are new and don't have to be rebuilt like some tired and worn 70 engines. Big bore kits and new heads are definitely nice but sometimes that is pretty much near or over the $300 mark and then you have to do all the work to the engine for installation and some people just don't have those skills. Sometimes the new "chinese" engines need some help out of the box and there are better and worse deals. I've seen the engines not come with all the parts, or the wrong parts or parts that won't plug into each other and work. Putting a chinese engine into a 70 is not just a bolt up and go type of deal either. If you want electric start, you have to fab a battery tray, and do wiring and usually you have to get a differnt manifold for the carb as well. Either way, there is some amount of work involved. But for the most part, the lifan engines, and I can't really speak for other brands, have worked out quite well and ressurected trikes and bikes that would otherwise not be running still. I'm sorry that you've had a bad experience with yours and I hope you next experience will be better.