To everyone recommending Klotz Super-Techniplate

[kbreese]

Well after reading many good things about it, I bought a gallon of it from Rocky Mountain ATV for my 86 250R....BUT THAN I FOUND THIS FROM ANOTHER FORUM:

I have been using Klotz Super Techniplate for almost a year now. I recently decided to do some research on the product and HERE IS WHAT I CAME UP WITH. (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/sho...ighlight=klotz) It was told to me by the Production Manager at Klotz. It was also confirmed in an email from an Account Representative (I emailed but they were slow to respond so I called).

The Super Techniplate is made for extremely high reving motors because it contains 20% benol. It is NOT designed to be a storage lubricant and will rust up an engine if left in it for too long. They advised me to stop running this in my 200exc.

The R-50 is best used by 2-stroke riders who spend much of their time in the powerband (motocross or flattrackers). It is OK to use as a storage lubricate but will spooge at lower revs.

They highly recommended the Motorcycle TechniPlate TC-W3 for my uses. I am on the pipe about 50% of the time.

I have a bottle of Super Techniplate I'll sell you if you want it! I'm using up the R-50 I bought and switching to the regular Techniplate

I will probably only be riding a few times a year so my bike will sit a lot, and although I'll be driving it aggressively I am not an actual racer and will also plan on some trail riding too which may involve lower rpm chugging here and there

....So I will either be returning or selling this gallon and buying something else...maybe the Pro Honda HP2 oil.

But anyhow, I think people should understand and point out the caveats of that super-techniplate before just saying how great it is and how nice it smells

[Dirtcrasher]

Thanks for sharing...

I'm really sick of this oil chit, years ago you could just get any oil and change it and be good. Even premix, all I avoided was lawnmower or chainsaw chit and I was good.

Never seized a topend or lost a clutch from anything I built.

But, just like anything else, they have to make EVERYTHING difficult!!

[Dammit!]

I've used both R50 and SuperTechniplate and never had problems with either. I do rev the crap out of my R at the dunes though. It also does sit for a few months at a time in the off season. It (supertechniplate) supposedly seperates at low temperatures (under 30 degrees if I remember right) which I do run into on occasion. It's rare and only lasts a few hours and not the hours I'm riding it. I've thought about switching back to R50. I might for next season.

[DixiePlowboy]

I'm confused by the quote in your post though, kbreese. The person quoted saying "Super Techniplate is made for extremely high revving motors", but "R50 is best used by .......(motocross and flattrackers)" makes no sense to me.

All the available flat tracks in my area are dirt track(car)ovals that will keep your RPM up, where the extra film strength of the 20% Benol castor in Super Techniplate would be advantageous and desireable compared to the all-synthetic R50.


I switched from Maxima Castor 927 to Klotz Super Techniplate 3-gallons ago, and all I can say is that it burns cleaner, my throttle response is a noticeably crisper, and yes....it smells nice.

That said, mine is run at high rpm a good bit of the time, and I don't intend to let it sit still long enough for anything inside it to rust, so I'm sticking with ST.

!, my ST bottle says it will stay in suspension indefinitely and has no warning of seperation like 927 does.

[riverrat]

Guys, any synthetic oil can rust an engine. We run synthetic oil in our very expensive R/C planes, and it is required by the manufacture to put in after run oil, to prevent the engine from rusting during periods of storage.

This is an example:
http://www.rcslot.com/pc-radio-contr.../EVOX1000.html

Page 9 of this manual gives an example:
http://www.evolutionengines.com/Prod...eli_Manual.pdf


The rust than can develop is fine, and can be abrasive. It can ruin an engine, especially after extended periods of storage. The engine can go bad in a few minutes. I had a small RC engine go bad after 2 tanks. It had been in storage for years though.

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Thanks for sharing...

I'm really sick of this oil chit, years ago you could just get any oil and change it and be good. Even premix, all I avoided was lawnmower or chainsaw chit and I was good.

Never seized a topend or lost a clutch from anything I built.

But, just like anything else, they have to make EVERYTHING difficult!!

Agreed 100%. It may not have been entirely smart but i used to mix 30W auto oil in my old school air foolers when i was young and never had any problem. as long as the cylinder is getting lube. Of coarse newer synthetic oils run better and help with a bit more performance but in the long run you have to look at necessity. Is it necessary to pay outrageous money on a pint of oil when you don't have to? I don't think so. I'll be running spectra sx2 in my T3. I hope it's good enough.

[Maico]

I've used Super Techniplate for over 20 + years and never had a problem. Of course I don't buy an oil because it smells good either. Klotz never claimed ST to be a storage oil. Also....Klotz will not rust up your motor...but a lack of storage oil will.

ST has no separation issues. Straight Benol does....at temps *30F and lower.

What do want for the gallon of ST??

[kbreese]

I emailed Klotz today to ask them myselves. Basically I said I had a 250R used for recreational use and would be used in both summer and winter and only used myabe 5-6 times a year and would sit for several months at a time at times. Here is the response I got:

Kevin,



The best product is the kl-302 mc techniplate. This or any of our tcw3 mc snow out board or ski craft techniplate products are what you should be running based on what you have told me. The part numbers that you can run are as follows

KL- 215,215,300,301,302,303,306,307,332,333. These are all the for mentioned products.





Super tech and benol should not be run, based on the amount of storage times you will have.

These are made for racing only.



Best regards,



Jared Booth

Sales Manager

Technical Support

7424 Freedom Way

Fort Wayne, IN 46818

260-490-0489 Ext. 228

260-490-0490 Fax

Visit Our Website-

http://WWW.KLOTZLUBE.COM

[kbreese]

I've used Super Techniplate for over 20 + years and never had a problem. Of course I don't buy an oil because it smells good either. Klotz never claimed ST to be a storage oil. Also....Klotz will not rust up your motor...but a lack of storage oil will.

ST has no separation issues. Straight Benol does....at temps *30F and lower.

What do want for the gallon of ST??

What do you mean a lack of storage oil? How would I do that? Like if I spend a weekend riding than bring it back to the garage where it may sit for 2 months...what am I supposed to do, drain out all the remaining gas in there and than add a gas/oil mixture in using a different kind of oil...than drain that out the next time i want to go riding and add back in the ST/gas mixture??

As far as selling the ST, not 100% sure yet if I will sell, but mostly likely I will. I'm guessing it will cost me like $10 to ship it, so $35 shipped? I don't even have it yet...my order hasn't come from Rocky Mountain yet.

[deathman53]

I use the same oil, TC-W3. I had a problem with r-50 clogging the powervalve. klotz told me that they don't use r-50 or super tech for powervalves, it clogs them. The tc-w3 is a snowmobile oil. When I order it, the honda dealer goes nuts, when they can't find it in the mx/atv book. And then go look for the snowmobile book. I use it at 32:1 on my 250r's and 40:1 on my 200exc. The guy that had the 200exc before me use hp2,, talk about a clogged screen in the silencer!!!! and alot of spooge. Now the silencer is clean and no spooge, I did have some issues with fouling plugs in the 200 at 32:1, at 40:1 no issues. The 250r is usually screamed so it runs really clean and no fouling. The 200exc, probably 1/2 the time, I'm at no more than 1/2 throttle, the excess oil, caused spooge and fouled plugs.

[Maico]

What do you mean a lack of storage oil? How would I do that? Like if I spend a weekend riding than bring it back to the garage where it may sit for 2 months...what am I supposed to do, drain out all the remaining gas in there and than add a gas/oil mixture in using a different kind of oil...than drain that out the next time i want to go riding and add back in the ST/gas mixture??

As far as selling the ST, not 100% sure yet if I will sell, but mostly likely I will. I'm guessing it will cost me like $10 to ship it, so $35 shipped? I don't even have it yet...my order hasn't come from Rocky Mountain yet.

Relax...you'll be fine if your trike is kept indoors. 2 months is not a long time. I've left my old Maico's outside covered under nothing more than an old tarp at times w/ST in it and never had an issue. Most guys experiance fouling problems when first trying ST because it's designed for hi RPM use. Use the regular Techniplate otherwise.

The snowmobile stuff has rust inhibitors in it cause....well....most sleds are only riden for 3 months max and sit for the other 9 months.

Let me know if you decide to sell it when it arrives.

[Autophysn]

Good read! I just switched to 927 myself and could not be happier with it's performance on my last dune trip. I can not easily find the Klotz, so I opted not to run it. I really appreciate the info

[Jason Hall]

I have run HP2 for Years, and swear by It. I ran my 86R at a harescramble In Ohio with a blown head gasket for 2 hrs. Yes, I know why would you do that? Well, because I drove 4 hrs, and don't like to loose Me and my partner (team Harescramble) finished 2nd and both ended up on my 3 wheeler, as his blew out the coolant elbow from the cylinder head. I filled the radiator avery 3 laps. The engine was so hot It started to melt the stator wire rubber that seals the side cover. The piston finally got a nickel sized hole burned through It. When I pulled the engine down, the piston skirt was still like NEW, and the crank Is still being used. I run HP2 at 48:1, and that cures the oil dripping problem. HP2 stays soft, and slimmy and does Not crust up like I have seen Klotz do, but does not smell good

[Louis Mielke]

You gotta admit, Klotz smells like candy. Klotz and Cam2. Best smells ever!

[kbreese]

Honestly, i think thats the main problem. All anyone cares about is that it smells like candy. I am looking into Amsoil...