So why aren't wiseco rings compatible with OEM pistons?

[Hoosier_Daddy]

[QUOTE=Bryan Raffa;736589]

When I or anyone else comes on here and asks a question like that we get treated like dirt. Told to look it up the manual, use the search function. There is a lot of condescention around here lately, and to be honest, I'm getting to the point that i don't want to come here and ask questions anymore because of the attitude problems because i don't want to deal with their drama. How sad is that? i have to be worried about ridicule from "certain" members when i come to a forum and ask a question that is designed for us to ask questions?

Obviously this is not directed at you KASEY, you have always been helpful. But I wish some of the mods and more important members would go read some of these threads that have questions and see the treatment people are getting.

The bad attitudes are hurting this forum and has already devestated people at 3wheeler.org here is a thread for it

http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/showthread.php?t=36193

Ultimately it is going to hurt the sport. It doesn't matter if the person is an old timer, a noobie a pro racer or whatever, leave the arrogance, condescention and disrespect at the door when we enter these forums or we're all going to lose out.QUOTE]
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please do NOT drag what happens over there over here! and vice versa..

People come and go over the years .. IT JUST HAPPENS! It's not going to hurt the sport..Die hard's stay,,dumb people find something else to blow there money on because there too stupid to change a spark plug!

just like this was talked about MANY TIMES
Here I took time out of my day to find a list of threds that talk about it.

This one is fron 2005! http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/s...o+piston+rings

people better start useing the search button!! the end is near!

I have answerd many questions in the last few years ..quite honestly.. I'm f'n burned out!
All because no one uses the SEARCH BUTTON!!!

I can't speak for you because i don't see you post much. i don't personally recall you ever using condescension to make someone feel stupid for asking a question.

I don't understand why so many of you think the search function is the end-all-beat-all in the first place though. I almost always use it to find an answer before asking a question unless I need a quick answer and rarely, after sifting through a 1/2 hours worth of threads do i find an answer that is SPECIFIC to my certain question. The search function is "ok" for general knowledge but when it gets technical the search function doesn't offer a whole lot. Many of you may not realize that because you already know the answers and haven't used it for a while but seriously, specific, technical answers are hard to find using the search.

You guys can give me a hard time about the rings because i can take a joke. But, I am used to 2 strokes. This is my first time getting this deep into a thumper so i'm lost a little even with the manual. I have knowledge of car engines and never in my life did i buy a set of aftermarket rings that didn't fit the OEM pistons in the automotive world. I had no reason to think otherwise with motorcycles/trike/quads.

Look at it this way. Now I know and it will be a lesson learned. Is that not a good thing? Isn't that was this is all about anyway? School of hard knocks.

[Hoosier_Daddy]

it's common knowlege that when buying replacement motor parts you should always get parts made for what you have.....mainly rings

For the umpteenth million time, I'm used to working on auto engines. Go to NAPA, Autozone, or order your favorite aftermarket parts catalog and buy a set of replacement rings. I guarantee they will fit the OEM pistons every time. If they don't it is explicitly stated that they will not. I had know way of knowing cycle engines were different. Wiseco sure didn't have any disclaimers about it. How many times do i have to explain this to get it across to some of you?

[SWIGIN]

i hate to tell you but the V8 motors i have rebuilt do not use stock thickness rings on aftermarket pistons.

and as always if i dont know i ask the ring or piston maker...they know whats up

[SWIGIN]

For the umpteenth million time, I'm used to working on auto engines. Go to NAPA, Autozone, or order your favorite aftermarket parts catalog and buy a set of replacement rings. I guarantee they will fit the OEM pistons every time. If they don't it is explicitly stated that they will not. I had know way of knowing cycle engines were different. Wiseco sure didn't have any disclaimers about it. How many times do i have to explain this to get it across to some of you?

dude, you need to calm down

you just said we can make fun of you but i cant state a well known fact....you might not of known it but it IS a well known fact

[JohnR.]

I've also bought aftermarket rings for the stock pistons in a car but you have to understand that when you go to Napa and buy a set of rings for a car they are assuming you have stock pistons. When you order a set of rings from an aftermarket piston company they are going to sell you rings that fit their piston. In my opinion, when you rebuilt one of these single cylinder engines its smart to replace the piston while you're in there. Sometimes trying to save a buck ends up costing you three.

John

[SWIGIN]

I've also bought aftermarket rings for the stock pistons in a car but you have to understand that when you go to Napa and buy a set of rings for a car they are assuming you have stock pistons. When you order a set of rings from an aftermarket piston company they are going to sell you rings that fit their piston. In my opinion, when you rebuilt one of these single cylinder engines its smart to replace the piston while you're in there. Sometimes trying to save a buck ends up costing you three.

John

very true...

[Mosh]

Ok well you said you can take a lil razzing so I gave you one above.

Here is the deal,with your current situation, I do feel a little grief for you.
With out coming out and asking them direct, you wouldnt really know for sure.
I searched their site for you, and only under pistons does it specify they have their own matching rings.

You are correct the search feature does not always work.
But you need to quit relying on THESE forums for the be all end all of info.
They are a mere guide,with many not so correct answers.
Perhaps you should get to know a local,machine shop or cycle builder and start asking them some of these questions.
Because on any forum,you will get littered with answers varying from 10 year olds, to experts. Just like folks saying things cant be done, when they can

I just hope you dont delete this thread,so the next guy can find this answer in a search.
You do delete alot of your questions.

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Ok well you said you can take a lil razzing so I gave you one above.

Here is the deal,with your current situation, I do feel a little grief for you.
With out coming out and asking them direct, you wouldnt really know for sure.
I searched their site for you, and only under pistons does it specify they have their own matching rings.

You are correct the search feature does not always work.
But you need to quit relying on THESE forums for the be all end all of info.
They are a mere guide,with many not so correct answers.
Perhaps you should get to know a local,machine shop or cycle builder and start asking them some of these questions.
Because on any forum,you will get littered with answers varying from 10 year olds, to experts. Just like folks saying things cant be done, when they can

I just hope you dont delete this thread,so the next guy can find this answer in a search.
You do delete alot of your questions.

Well stated. I appreciate the backup. I will say swigin is completely wrong about auto aftermarket rings because if they don't fit it is made clear that they are made for a different application. mosh just backed up my complaint with wiseco and how hard it is to find the info for this. I agree with you Moshman and this thread will not get deleted because others can use it to see what kinds of frustrations are possible when they get into 20 year old machines and hope everything will work out ok.

Speaking of poking fun at each other, Swigin, you may be a master of quad engines but i don't think you are in your element if you want to get into high performance automotive V8's argument with me. I have 20 years experience with it and you will rarely win an argument with me on this subject. the only thing that surprises me is how different cycle engines can be from auto engines. Sure, they have the same basics but there are a lot of differences.

[DeePa]

i searched for "wiseco rings" and came up with this thread...

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/s...t=wiesco+rings

Its funny that mosh replied haha...

I have refrained from posting to your stuff so many times after your many hissy fits at me, but this one was too hard to resist...

[Mosh]

holy archives batman

[KASEY]

MY SUGGESTION ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

even if you don't use the search feature,,, and are affraid of all the crap that follows a simple question,,, PM someone you feel comfortable with.... i get 20 pm's a week and try to answer all them in a timely manner and i am sure there are others that do the same,,,,, because there is nothing that ticks me off more than an answer like this!!!!

I THINK THEY WILL FIT,,, I AM NOT POSITIVE BUT GO AHEAD SHOULD BE OK!!!

[oscarmayer]

ok ladies look, weisco custom designs their own stuff. if they do not fit (and they don't) stick them on ebay. someone with a used pisotn wanting to refresh their cyclinder would probebly buy them. you may take a small loss, but it's probebly enought to cove the cost of oem rings. btw, i have seen piston kits on ebay for like $55 complete (new generics but would work).

you have a choice here to make.
-get oems and sell your weisco's on ebay for a loss
-get a weisco piston kit and save the rings for a refreshing in a coupel of years
-get a ebay pisotn kit, and sell your rings on ebay.

good luck with what ever you decide.

incase your wodnering weisco rings are made of harder materials that the stockers so they last longer and seal petter. thus they are usually thinner and not and wide (cyclinder to piston width) than stockers. also the advantage of thinner rings is less drag and yes more power. so that's another added benefit, but againt he materials are harder than stock, so it lasts longer and this can be made to run thinner.

[3Razors]

Oh my sooo much confusion!

One thing I will add that the OEM Honda cast piston (probably ART) correctly setup will last much longer in a STOCK or MILDLY modified engine setup over Wiseco forged unit. Cast pistons you can set the tolerences tighter and the wear characteristics of cast give you this benefit. If you are building high performance stroker, big bore, ect go with Wiseco because they handle more stress.

Hoosier did you already hone the cylinder? If not just use the original OEM rings if there in good shape and ride.

[fabiodriven]

I gotta say, when I read the titles to these "Hoosier" threads I sigh and shake my head. But then I stop and have to remember that not everybody has done this before. I always end up reading the "Hoosier" threads, usually a day or two after they've been started, and the pay-off is phenominal. Between the guys trying to help, and the "Search Engine Nazis", and popping in to prod Hoosier every once in a while, these are by far the most entertaining threads on here.

[smvorndran]

At least Hoosier asks before he goofs things up. I ask after it's already fubar. Seriously guys, go change your tampons.

smvorndran