200X clutch slips incredibly bad, any tricks to get one last ride out of it?

[hawaiirider]

im borrowing my friends 84 200x for my cousin coming in town. the clutch slips bad, anything over 1/2 throttle makes the motor rev.
the cable isnt the problem.
is there a cheap trick to get one days ride out of it, id order him new plates but they just wont be in by wensday.

[manbearpig]

change the oil

pull the clutch out and take some 400grit to the metal disks front and back

reassemble

ive revived a few clutches this way for 'one more ride.' some have lasted longer

[barnett468]

hello;

what type of oil are you using exactly?

you can only modify the clutch disc section not the centrifugal clutch.

here's some options.

CENTRIFUGAL CLUTCH

clean it all.

sand the shoes lightly with around 320 dry.

sand the inside of the drum with around 220 - 280 wet or dry. you just want to scratch it up good. It will NOT ruin it.


CLUTCH PACK

clean it all

sand the metal discs lightly with 400 wet paper using water or wd40.

take your clutch hubs and a clutch spring to the industrial hardware store or Graingers etc. and get some "AN" style flat washers that just barely fit over the posts or get copper brake line washers from most auto stores or NAPA. They have many sizes, often stored in orange Dorman boxes.

get 10 or 12 [i forget] of each. if they are super thin, use 2 on each pressure plate bolt. if they are thick, use 1.

after you are finished assembling the clutch, install the clutch cover with just a few screws and see if you can pull the clutch in ok.

buy some 5w 30 non synthetic, motorcycle or ATV oil.

put a 1 tooth smaller front sprocket or around a 3 tooth larger rear sprocket on it. this will reduce the load on the clutch. if you do not have the gears just run it with the mods i mentioned.

if you do ALL of this, i think by your description you will get 1 more day PROVIDING, you do not flog it.


Yeah, don't flog it like a baby fur seal during hunting season. That hurts...I should know.




Poor Timmy.

[jb2wheels]

Nope. That suckers going to slip and fill the crankcase with clutch gunk:

[dougspcs]

Sounds like a crazy idea..just one more ride before I fix it!!

What if it grenades when your cousin is riding it?? You're left with a machine that is REALLY broken and your cousin with the guilt of busting your machine.

Who would go thru all the effort to open it all up to sand the clutch discs?? That's mental!

Save yourself the aggravation and just park the trike until it's fixed..there is no good "quick fix" solution!

Barnett: there is not centrifugal on a 200X..it's a manual clutch machine! Unless someone has put a ATC185/200 motor in an created an AutoX

[DohcBikes]

200X clutch slips incredibly bad, any tricks to get one last ride out of it?

The last ride was about 7 rides ago.

Fix it.

[ezmoney1979]

I have done the "one last ride" trick with great success. I didn't even use sand paper. I just roughed up the plates on some concrete lol. Keep in mind this was a long time ago when I was young, dumb and poor but that clutch held amazingly well and it was on Banshee. I normally don't advise such poor fix it techniques, but I've been there before. Also, nothing bad will come of it if it doesn't work. I have no idea what this talk of "grenading" and filling your crank case with gunk is all about?

[barnett468]

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Hello hawaiirider;

Don't listen to em...take it out in a smokin Blaze Of Glory!

Here’s photos of the washers I’m referring to so you have a guide. Notice the wall is thinner than a std flat washer. A std flat washer is too large on the outside to fit.

"AN" washers




Copper washers

Sounds like a retarded idea..just one more ride before I fix it!!

Wow Doug…that’s subtle….And I get banned just for defending myself on my very own moderator assigned thread…nice!

Hey…at least you didn’t say “that’s mental” this time.

Barnett's very own assigned thread.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthr...highlight=saga

What if it grenades when your cousin is riding it?? You're left with a machine that is REALLY broken and you cousin with the guilt of busting your machine.

I wouldn’t feel guilty. I’d laugh my a_s off and ask him why he gave me broken bike to ride.

Save yourself the aggravation and just park the trike until it's fixed..there is not "quick fix" solution!

Yes there is…just follow my post. I GUARANTEE it will work, otherwise you can have the beer.



Hi Doug...Maybe a pair of these will put you in a better mood.

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Holy cr_p!

[dougspcs]

Hello hawaiirider; just follow my post. I GUARANTEE it will work, otherwise you can have the beer.

Well, hawaiirider, then have at it..Barnett GUARANTEEs it!!!

That's good enough for me!!

[barnett468]

Well, hawaiirider, then have at it..Barnett GUARANTEEs it!!!

That's good enough for me!!

Xlnt choice!


OMG...I think I just got a hernia.

[hawaiirider]

I was hoping it would be easier than tearing it down, we only need the bike for one day. does the part attached to the crankshaft have to come off to pull the discs out? its on the right in the pic.
I know how to change a clutch, just didnt want to do all this work for one ride, i might just can it.....

[Keith Salyer]

With all that power comes great responsibility. Be a 45 minute job including taking the footpeg loose, the kicker and brake pedal and the side case. One more ride is worth that ain't it.

[El Camexican]

Got an extra used steel plate kicking around? If so you can add it into the clutch pack (stack two steels together in the middle of the pack) and that should get you another day of riding, but you must make certain that the teeth on the pressure plate still engage on the inner hub when the clutch is disengaged or you'll ruin both parts. The washer added to the spring thing along with a little scuffing on the plates as suggested will work great too, IF you can find washers that fit over the posts and can’t move enough to wedge into the pressure plate recesses. That would make a mess and few store bought washers will fit perfectly under the spring without some grinding to fit. That might be a LOT easier said than done, but nothing can be done that will work without putting the cover off.

Being it’s not even your trike I'd park it and take your cuz to a strip bar this time around.

[barnett468]

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I was hoping it would be easier than tearing it down,

Ok, so your clutch slips badly and you want to fix it without taking it apart. Noooo problem, below are just a few possible options.


1. The Great Barnett…Magician and part time Psychic Motorcycle Surgeon.





2. Clutch Friction Enhancer. Simply add a generous handful to any Motorcycle or ATV trans and feel your clutch problems just slip away.





3. Clutch repair fluid. Stops slipping clutches!…it says so on the label




OMG...You gotta be kidding me!

[barnett468]

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Howdy Hawaiirider!

Got an extra used steel plate kicking around? If so you can add it into the clutch pack…

If you want to run steel plates back to back just buy an old Maico clutch.

The washer added to the spring thing along with a little scuffing on the plates as suggested will work great too, IF you can find washers that fit over the posts and can’t move enough to wedge into the pressure plate recesses.

The washers I suggested should work, if not, there are “narrower” brake fitting washers at most auto and motorcycle parts stores. This is also why I suggested you take the hubs with you.

That would make a mess and…

The washers only need to fit over the top 1/8” of the post. They do not move once installed. Believe me, it works, this is just one example of the advanced technologies I have used over the years.

few store bought washers will fit perfectly under the spring without some grinding to fit.

This is why I posted the ones I did and mentioned that they are “narrower” than std SAE washers. Also, they go on the bolt, not under the spring, however, there are very “narrow” brake line washers that will fit in the hub under the spring on most bikes.

The width of the ring on the washers below is around 2.5 mm [around 5/64”]. This is close to the width of the springs and in the proper id or od, they will easily fit under the spring.

That might be a LOT easier said than done,

If you need to grind the od of a washer you can simply but around a 4” long bolt the same id as the washer, put several washers on the bolt and secure them with a nut then you can use the part of the bolt with no washers as a handle to hold the assy and easily grind them and they will all be the same od when you are finished.

If you don’t have a grinder don’t despair…simply tie the assembly to your back bumper with around 6’ of wire and drive around for a while. You may need to attach a red flag to them for safety reasons…I’m not sure.

These are two more examples of the many advanced technologies I have used over the years.

The but nothing can be done that will work without putting the cover off.

Sure it can…please read my previous post.

The Being it’s not even your trike I'd park it and take your cuz to a strip bar this time around.

Hi Hawaiirider…sounds like a great idea to me. Wouldn't you and you're cuv rather be workin on a pair of these instead of somethin that's all oily and slippery?

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