350x floating ground

[archer45]

Installled a goki starter and battery now I want to add full wave regulator rectifier. do I need to unhook the other side of the white wire on the lighting coil and hook it to the new regulator along with the white coming out of the stator?

[ps2fixer]

Based on this google image I found, you need to put two hots from the stator (AC power) to the regulator, other pics suggested both will be yellow on the regulator side. One wire will need to be a ground, and the last pin will be the 12v for the battery / accessories.

http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp60/LynnEdwards_photo/regulator2.jpg

I haven't wired one of these up in a non-battery machine, so I'm just going off my understanding of diagrams and the image google brought up.

[archer45]

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looking at this pic I need to remove the lighting coil ground and run it out to the ne reg/,rec to get dc volts

[archer45]

or do you think I can cut the green ground and run the end coming out of the cover to the new reg/rec.

[archer45]

frustrating just want the battery to charge after installing a goki starter. installed it last week and fried the ac regulator and goki diode that they use inline

[f76]

The above picture is correct with the two yellow wires connected to the white (light power) and green (ground). In that picture the green wire has been floated inside the stator. If you float the green wire, you can use the frame as ground for your dc power. If you simply use the green wire as the other input for the rectifier/regulator without floating it first, it will not work properly.
If you choose not to float the ground, you can convert to dc power, however you cannot not use the frame as ground but must ground the electronics back to the battery or capacitor you are using.
Here is how I wired my 350x to convert the lights to dc power for led without floating the ground because I was lazy.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/05/d68bf87ccc2778b7f6a6cc4d480b528e.jpg

[archer45]

so you left the green wire coming out of the alternator attached inside the cover but cut it so its not grounded to the frame and then hooked up to one of the yellow wires.
do I need anything internally where the lighting coil goes to ground or just use the green wire once its not gounded to the frame

[archer45]

see how in my image the other side of the lighting coil was removed from ground and they attached it to the green wire
dosent look like you disconnected it internally in the cover but tied in outside of the cover
just don't want to ruin anymore stuff

[BOB MARLIN]

Are you just trying to get the charging system to work or are you doing something else ?. The goki's come with an inline diode to the battery that converts the a/c to d/c. Maybe I'm missing something with your intended set up.

[f76]

I didn't touch anything internally. I simply cut the green ground and used that as the "other yellow" wire to feed the rec/reg. You can use the green wire come straight out from the stator without doing anything internally. Be aware that the green wire ground connects to multiple other green ground wires in various places inside the wiring harness.

[archer45]

ok I will try it

[archer45]

got it all hooked up lights on battery but the starter motor is grounded when bolted to the case which is connected to the frame. so I have to ground the battery negative side to the frame or the starter wont work. I am going to take the case off and see if I can get to the other side of the lighting coil and float the ground off it. Right now it is charging but no more than how goki has them wired using a inline diode. which act like a trickle charge.

[Iwantitall]

I have been working on the GOKI install myself and don't have their "yellow" wire with the diode made into it. I am heading down the route of installing an aftermarket rectifier/regulator.

Anyway, was trying to wrap my head around the ground situation. You would basically take the ground wire with the "D" ring on it that attaches to the frame under the left side of the tank and run it back to the battery. Then you have to ground the starter to the battery with another wire. So basically after you float the ground off the stator, you turn right back around and ground the battery to the starter, which is bolted to the frame. What is the point?

[archer45]

you must take the ground wire off the stator inside the cover and attach it to a full wave reg,rec. not the oem reg. the yellow wire from goki contained a simple diode (one way valve) so the battery don't drain. My goki diode (yellow wire ) burned up and my oem regulator. I ordered a simple 2wire reg/rec to hook it up like stock and a full wave reg/rec to run the lights on battery DC and get a full wave charge for battery. I have not finished this project yet but will return to it shortly and update the post on which way I hooked it up.

[Iwantitall]

Right, forgot to mention that I was going to float the ground.

So after that's done, I've read that the factory green ground wire shouldn't ground to the frame. It should be rerouted back to the negative on the battery.

My question now is how to properly ground the battery and starter. The starter is technically grounded to the frame via the motor. So should I simply ground the battery to the frame? This is where I don't understand why the green ground that used to bolt to the frame should be disconnected from the frame. Maybe it doesn't really matter, I just don't know that much about it.

[f76]

If you float the ground from the stator, your dc powered electronics (starter, lights, etc.) can be frame grounded.
After you run your two inputs (your light circuit power from the stator and the floated ground) into the rectifier/regulator, you run the rec/reg output ground or negative to the battery and then to the frame.
You can leave the green ground wire connected to the frame, as long as you have floated the ground.
If you have not floated the light circuit ground, you cannot use the frame as ground for any electronics using the dc power. These electronics must ground back to the battery or capacitor.

The goki setup requires the frame to be used as ground as the starter is grounded to the frame. I don't have the goki installation instructions so I can't comment on how they go about handling the conversion and grounding and such.

[Iwantitall]

Thanks for the reply! I bought the Trail Tech rect/reg yesterday and asked them about it while I had them on the phone and your info is spot on with what they said.

Goki just used a diode in their yellow wire setup but apparently that's not the best way to go about it. I also swapped in a 400ex switch for a clean starter button too so should be very stock looking when I get done.

Great info on the board that made this possible.

[f76]

It took me awhile to get my head wrapped around it, but once I understood the floating ground and such, it made sense. The 400ex switch works great and looks oem. I used one on my 200x with goki starter.

Glad to hear it's all working out for you!