Carb 200 vs 200x

[Jcode]

I ordered a Carb rebuild for my 200xphone I recently bought and didn't even think about how it has a different motor. Its a 83 200. I got the kit from Dennis Kirk.

Do I dare open it and use what I can or exchange for right one? It looks like most of it is the same except the one I care about, the needle. The 200xa needle looks a touch Skinner than the 200. 200 needle has 1EA, the one in kit is D104. And I have lot of flutter in top end.

I'm thinking the hassle and cost to return this kit is gonna out way using this kit and order a needle separate...

Thoughts?

Oh and is there more than I'm seeing that won't work? Main jet is same, pilot jet is same, etcetc...

[ezmoney1979]

I ordered a Carb rebuild for my 200xphone I recently bought and didn't even think about how it has a different motor. Its a 83 200. I got the kit from Dennis Kirk.

Do I dare open it and use what I can or exchange for right one? It looks like most of it is the same except the one I care about, the needle. The 200xa needle looks a touch Skinner than the 200. 200 Carb has 1EA, the one in kit is D104. And I have lot of flutter in top end.

I'm thinking the hassle and cost to return this kit is gonna out way using this kit and order a needle separate...

Thoughts?

Oh and is there more than I'm seeing that won't work? Main jet is same, pilot jet is same, etcetc...

Whats a 200Xphone? An Iphone made by Honda?

[Dirtcrasher]

No, you probably ordered the wrong kit. It will cost you something to ship it back the way they want and it may cost you money to re-stock it etc etc.

You have to be careful when ordering carb rebuild kits.

As an example, certain kits (moose I believe) come with the wrong thread pitch air screw so it's basically useless. In that case, that is a aftermarket manufacturers issue but your still stuck with paying the return shipping and possible restocking charges.

[Jcode]

I just said hell with it and put everything in. The moose air screw went in perfectly fine..

Rest of it was exact same stuff I was pulling out anyhow, and actually, the carb was in pretty good shape. The pilot jet hole was half blocked was about it. But had a spring fall out of the carb and didn't know where it went till i got home so finish it tomorrow. Just gonna use same needle I pulled out.

[Jcode]

Finally started checking some numbers..

Engine: TB05E - 2224169. A 83 200 (TB05E-2200009~ is for 83 200)
Carb: PD 62B. 84-85 200x. The PD62A is 83 Carb. IIRC, Dennis Kirk showed the 200x carb kit is good for all the years.

So this helps confirm why everything in the kit matched what I pulled out just fine.

But I have KIND of a problem I think I'm rectifying. I got carb on, started first pull but went WOT (good thing it was in neutral).

Which way does the Idle Screw go for respective RPM Change. I thought (w/ according to manual), turning it in dropped the idle. But I read elsewhere turning in increases RPM. I figured turning it closes off the circuit. But I BURIED the idle screw and it still had a way high idle. Well I realized I didn't get the O ring in with the Idle screw. It's sitting in front of me now till I'm done watching our store at noon till I Try it.

What's the main suppose to be on the 83 200? The 200x says 108 for 83 and 110 for 84-85. The 200 I can't find. 200s and 200m I can but both are different from eachother which worries me with mine. Especially because one of them was 85 main. I have a 108 and 110 from kit, and a 108 is what I pulled out.

ALSO what clip should the needle be on?? I pulled it out on 3rd clip and put it back in as such, and it sounded perfect at WOT. 200 specs say 2n

[Jcode]

I forgot too, can the throttle cable be too short? At the carb, the cable has no adjustment. At the throttle, I can bury the adjustment and I still don't feel the carb dropping all the way. I also can't push the throttle all the way in to the stopper. The carb hits the top before that.

As an experiment, I removed the carb cap, and dropped the slide in the carb. Started it, and it idled really good, probably as goo as it can with carb top open.

Is this suggesting the carb slide is NOT bottoming out? The air screw on the side does nothing to the RPM speed, and I don't see the slide moveing up or down with that screw adjustment at all. If this is the case, how was this running in the first place, and for as long as it has?

My reason for the rebuild is I had no top end, lot of sputtering and black puffs of smoke and no idle. As I was pulling out carb, the choke lever got bumped and I swear ,I think, I noticed it was at half choke because I don't think I saw it sweep very far. This would mean last (and first) ride, I was riding it with choke half open. It was my first time taking it out since i bought it a month ago. I didn't even notice it had a choke! I was looking for a plunger somewhere not a lever haha.

[200xman123]

turn the idle screw out (to the left) it will bring the idle down

[Jcode]

Still starting wide open, even with screw nearly out or seated all the way. Dunno what I could be missing.

[MonroeMike]

Make sure you have the slide in correctly. Put the grooved side towards the idle screw.

These may help with your other questions.
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthr...0-Service-Data

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthr...)-Service-Data

[200xman123]

monroemike is 100percent correct i bet u put the slide in bcakwards

[Jcode]

Great links.

So it shows 83 200 should have a #85 main and pilot jet and #38. It has #108 and #40 in there now. Which is what I took out.

Can this let it crack wide open right off start? I figured it would choke it out with too much gas. This is acting like a lean mixture or air leak (which i checked, didn't find one)

[Jcode]

As you sit on it, the notched line side goes on the left with the little teet poking into the slide chamber, and the ramped side goes on the right for the air screw right?

[Jcode]

Just checked a blow up of the carb in service manual, I got it in right.

[Jcode]

Shouldn't the throttle slide close more than this? Right now the adjustment on the flipper end is bottomed out and there is no adjustment on carb side. Air screw is all the way out. If so, what am I missing? All I did was pull out the main jet, the jet holder, cleaned them out and reinstalled.

[200xman123]

your slide is in backwards