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    I'll tell you why you've yet to win an argument with me Mickey. It's because I won't enter a debate I don't think I can win. If I know I'm right I will not stop.

    First of all, personally I've had enough of religion in this thread. That's an entirely different discussion in general and would require its own dedicated thread in my opinion. I could see that being a very popular thread. I have plenty to say on that topic, but it has nothing to do with the subject at hand, and that is marijuana. I am not religious but I can respect others beliefs no problem. Just as Bill or Joe. I have my own beliefs that have to do with quantum physics, which is a fact-based science that has discovered facts about the universe that would blow your mind. I find facts about our universe and origins much more interesting than the interpretation of ancient words written by people who had the capacity of comprehension comparable to that of a modern child. I'll leave it at that, as that is a totally different thread altogether.

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    I just thought it's funny how you guys say how pot doesn't make people fight
    Why is this funny to you? Glamy and Joe had words over a completely different subject, the second amendment. Two people, minor words, this is a debate of sorts after all. One uses marijuana and the other doesn't. That's not a fight, and even if it were marijuana wouldn't be to blame.

    I'm not sure if you noticed, but glamy and I had two very different views on the second amendment. They were as follows.

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    My personal belief is that if you're against the second amendment, you see things very, very differently than I do myself.
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    With your guns and your bombs.....in your head.......in your head.......ZOMBIE...ZOMBIE ! You don`t know (ignorant) and it is scary that you`re probably armed to the MAX !........carry on....toodels ......first you`re gonna shoot me then you`re gonna clean me then you`re gonna eat me........and then.....you`re gonna sh!t me out !.......no more and then !
    From what I'm gathering from glamy's post (not sure), he and I differ on that subject greatly. Notice two people who use marijuana with two very different opinions on the second amendment, something we both take very seriously, and not even an acknowledgement of that difference in opinion, never mind a fight. I'm not blaming the "fight" that did occur on the person that doesn't use marijuana, all I'm saying is that you can't accuse us of having problems with fights when no fights existed at that point.

    It's great that you have god in your life but not all of us need "god" to get through the day. If it works for you that's fantastic, but I'm not pushing marijuana on you or anyone Mickey, I'm standing in its defense and promotion. I stand for truth first and foremost and there are many lies and rumors surrounding this herb and whatever purveying of those words I can prevent I will. Nothing I say is made up and no words will be negative. Speaking of negativity, I will point out where the fight has originated from in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Dunlap View Post
    I don't know what to think, seems like this pot isn't working like everyone claims. In fact all I see is anger!
    If all you see is anger, that's your problem. I see a debate with members thinking things through (to a degree) and attempting to get their thoughts out on here and convey their thoughts. Nobody, especially anyone using "pot", said anything about being angry until it was brought up by you. You are the one that implied anger and thus attempted to bring it into this thread. You don't smoke pot but you shurer 'n shite stir it.

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    The test is if this pisses you off and you hate anything about the Word of God you are a enemy of God and you have rejected Him.
    I don't hate anything or anyone, but I do dislike things from time to time. If you want to go down this road, if you want to be known as the purveyor of peace and god, then you must act that part. That means not attempting to lump a group of people together and disrespecting them and their beliefs. That means not attempting to deface our values because we don't share your view. Or you could just be another one of those guys that goes around just posting like a jerk, but don't try to act like you're the good guy. You're the one starting the only argument here. I'll tell you another thing, you think you're so peaceful and righteous, yet you toss the word "hate" around like it's tootsie rolls from a parade float. Every single time you use that word, which if you spout off like this all the time is probably fairly often, you draw that energy back to you. That's a law, a physical law of nature. It's called the law of attraction. It doesn't matter if you have faith in it or not, it is a constant. It's not open to interpretation or up for argument. That's fact. Even when you reference someone else hating or some "other" situation, you will draw in what you put out and if you say and use the word "hate", even if directed in a "good" way, you will inevitably draw hate back to you. This is quantum physics and this is a fact. You implying hatred in any context, as quoted above, has essentially inserted it where it didn't previously exist, thus bringing to life that which was supposedly being spoken against in the first place by- you. You brought up hatred. The very referencing of the subject is the cause. I have eliminated the word "hate" from my vocabulary, and a matter of fact I dislike (but I don't hate) the fact that you have brought up the subject of hate and arguments. I've typed it far more times than I'd prefer, but it's in the name of education and proper posting. Having eliminated that word and thus that feeling from my being has made me very sensitive to the vibration of hatred, so I can sense it a mile away. I not only choose to avoid it, I have to stay away from it.

    If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion if anyone feels like it, some mature discussion is ensuing in this subject and the Cheech and Chong jokes have already been said. The attempted slander has gone far enough and many facts have been stated. This is a very important subject which is at hand and there will be voting for years to come on this matter. This is our duty to take seriously and consider how this substance should be handled. I think it's fairly obvious who's educated on the matter and who is not. Those who are curious, ask away. Those who have input, let's hear it. If anyone would happen to have any horror stories of the crazy wacked out things some hepped up weed addict did, please share them. If we're the type of people who deserve to be talked down to and laughed at, let's hear the reasons to back that up.
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    This is all I will say regarding marijuana. I have been a police officer for almost ten years and have dealt with countless people under the influence of marijuana and not once have we had an altercation of any kind, no MF'ing, no fighting, nothing. On the flip side of that, I have also dealt with many people under the influence of alcohol and as a result have been punched, kicked, spat upon, bitten, concussed, witnessed a .45 acp go through a 18 year old kids head who decided he didn't want to live anymore, made death notifications to the parents of a couple teenagers who decided to drink and drive, and numerous families (including my own) torn apart. All from a "legal" drug.

    I've never touched the stuff once in my life, but I'm open minded and have enough experience dealing with people and how different drugs effect them. Marijuana is on the bottom of my list of "dangerous" drugs. Where would the Beatles music have gone without pot???

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabiodriven View Post
    I'll tell you why you've yet to win an argument with me Mickey. It's because I won't enter a debate I don't think I can win. If I know I'm right I will not stop.

    First of all, personally I've had enough of religion in this thread. That's an entirely different discussion in general and would require its own dedicated thread in my opinion. I could see that being a very popular thread. I have plenty to say on that topic, but it has nothing to do with the subject at hand, and that is marijuana. I am not religious but I can respect others beliefs no problem. Just as Bill or Joe. I have my own beliefs that have to do with quantum physics, which is a fact-based science that has discovered facts about the universe that would blow your mind. I find facts about our universe and origins much more interesting than the interpretation of ancient words written by people who had the capacity of comprehension comparable to that of a modern child. I'll leave it at that, as that is a totally different thread altogether.



    Why is this funny to you? Glamy and Joe had words over a completely different subject, the second amendment. Two people, minor words, this is a debate of sorts after all. One uses marijuana and the other doesn't. That's not a fight, and even if it were marijuana wouldn't be to blame.

    I'm not sure if you noticed, but glamy and I had two very different views on the second amendment. They were as follows.





    From what I'm gathering from glamy's post (not sure), he and I differ on that subject greatly. Notice two people who use marijuana with two very different opinions on the second amendment, something we both take very seriously, and not even an acknowledgement of that difference in opinion, never mind a fight. I'm not blaming the "fight" that did occur on the person that doesn't use marijuana, all I'm saying is that you can't accuse us of having problems with fights when no fights existed at that point.

    It's great that you have god in your life but not all of us need "god" to get through the day. If it works for you that's fantastic, but I'm not pushing marijuana on you or anyone Mickey, I'm standing in its defense and promotion. I stand for truth first and foremost and there are many lies and rumors surrounding this herb and whatever purveying of those words I can prevent I will. Nothing I say is made up and no words will be negative. Speaking of negativity, I will point out where the fight has originated from in this thread.



    If all you see is anger, that's your problem. I see a debate with members thinking things through (to a degree) and attempting to get their thoughts out on here and convey their thoughts. Nobody, especially anyone using "pot", said anything about being angry until it was brought up by you. You are the one that implied anger and thus attempted to bring it into this thread. You don't smoke pot but you shurer 'n shite stir it.



    I don't hate anything or anyone, but I do dislike things from time to time. If you want to go down this road, if you want to be known as the purveyor of peace and god, then you must act that part. That means not attempting to lump a group of people together and disrespecting them and their beliefs. That means not attempting to deface our values because we don't share your view. Or you could just be another one of those guys that goes around just posting like a jerk, but don't try to act like you're the good guy. You're the one starting the only argument here. I'll tell you another thing, you think you're so peaceful and righteous, yet you toss the word "hate" around like it's tootsie rolls from a parade float. Every single time you use that word, which if you spout off like this all the time is probably fairly often, you draw that energy back to you. That's a law, a physical law of nature. It's called the law of attraction. It doesn't matter if you have faith in it or not, it is a constant. It's not open to interpretation or up for argument. That's fact. Even when you reference someone else hating or some "other" situation, you will draw in what you put out and if you say and use the word "hate", even if directed in a "good" way, you will inevitably draw hate back to you. This is quantum physics and this is a fact. You implying hatred in any context, as quoted above, has essentially inserted it where it didn't previously exist, thus bringing to life that which was supposedly being spoken against in the first place by- you. You brought up hatred. The very referencing of the subject is the cause. I have eliminated the word "hate" from my vocabulary, and a matter of fact I dislike (but I don't hate) the fact that you have brought up the subject of hate and arguments. I've typed it far more times than I'd prefer, but it's in the name of education and proper posting. Having eliminated that word and thus that feeling from my being has made me very sensitive to the vibration of hatred, so I can sense it a mile away. I not only choose to avoid it, I have to stay away from it.

    If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion if anyone feels like it, some mature discussion is ensuing in this subject and the Cheech and Chong jokes have already been said. The attempted slander has gone far enough and many facts have been stated. This is a very important subject which is at hand and there will be voting for years to come on this matter. This is our duty to take seriously and consider how this substance should be handled. I think it's fairly obvious who's educated on the matter and who is not. Those who are curious, ask away. Those who have input, let's hear it. If anyone would happen to have any horror stories of the crazy wacked out things some hepped up weed addict did, please share them. If we're the type of people who deserve to be talked down to and laughed at, let's hear the reasons to back that up.
    I know there is no way I would argue with you about anything, it goes no where and it's totally point less! What I say comes from God and his word, if you what to argue how you are right and He is wrong, go a head, but you can't win.

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    Yes gentlemen. Please start a separate thread if you wish to continue the religion argument.

    Mickey I respect you for all your contributions to the sport. I am glad u still post here and am glad religion works for you but please keep your comments in this thread to the subject at hand. If you have insight as to why God put Marijuana on earth and canabanol receptors in our brains. Please share.

    Fabio much appreciation for what you do on this site and agree with you on most things. Keep up the work and keep on topic.

    no disrespect to either of you gentlemen at all but I wanted this thread to be about the marijuana. So we could get a conversation going that may get those who don't know and don't understand some insight.

    DOHC (damon) read the post you deleted in the deer stand over the weekend before it disappeared. Wish you would have left it as I wanted to discuss a few points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Camexican View Post
    Sounds like if the smokers get their way Colorado would become a utopia.

    The average day might go something like this…

    - Wake up in a home build and inspected by guys that were high
    - Make breakfast for family using products that were handled and packaged by guys that were buzzed
    - Send kids to school in a bus driven by a guy that just smoked a bomb to negotiate roadways with a few thousand other stoned drivers that are late for work
    - Kids learn math, history and take sex-ed class from stoned teachers during the day
    - Dad works construction as a crane operator 10 stories above the city while buzzed
    - Mom drops the car off at the mechanics to have the brakes checked by “Roach” and takes a taxi to the hospital where she works as an OR nurse who assists doctors that perform open heart surgery while high
    - At 6:00 everyone returns to the family home near the airport where stoned pilots pass over every few minutes as they approach Denver Airport
    - After ordering pizza made and delivered by stoners (this one is actually true anywhere) they tune into the local news to hear about all the train derailments, gas line explosions, water main breaks and traffic fatalities (mostly shootings at green lights perpetrated by non-smokers in a rush to get somewhere)
    - Mom and Dad tuck the kids in, lite up and marvel at the wonderful world they live in

    As I’ve said before, I’m all for legalization, but it has to be controlled somehow. Until such time as levels can be detected forcing employers to take on users means taking on abuser’s as well.
    i did read post #20 and it was very well said. as far as me saying i thought u were being a bit over dramatic...i'll break it down. as far as homes being built by stoners...i did foundations for 10 years and my crew only had 2 complaints. we had 3 tokers and 2 non-tokers...me being a non. the problem was an architect that measurements wrong both times. framing...3 years...6 probs (had to think on this 1)...2 by stoned idiocy but fixed very quickly as they were good framers and realised what went wrong and even said "duh"...lmao. sounds hypocritical but everyone makes mistakes,...stoned or not...and the homeowners were very happy with the turnout. i've also seen straight or stoned inspectors make good and bad calls. thats a crap shoot in construction. so, i cant say wrong or right there but i can say that the fields i was in, it wasnt a big issue because mistakes were quickly fixed. heavy machinery...i think they should be non-users for the obvious reason. i actually watched a stoned crete truck driver turn his truck over. he was fired....i didnt disagree.

    the pizza guy...who gives a damn if hes high. the driver will get you your pizza or its free if its really late. the cook...if hes "ablaze" he may just "beef up" (no pun intended) toppings making it a killer feast!!!...lmmfao...where's the problem there?

    doctors, pilots, high rise or heavy equipment operators...i agree. SHOULD NOT USE mind altering substances of any sort. if he's on pain killers, give him a shovel and tell him to dig a ditch. the dr...tell him to just stay home. pilots...ground them or take their wings.

    if u deal with kids at all...STAY AWAY FROM THE CRAP!!!! if you're home and wanna slip to the garage and burn 1, whats the harm? stoned at home, no issue. kids involved=hope your pupils arent dilated because you're on something and puting kids in harms way.

    the mechanic...well, the smartest mechanic i ever knew was a burner...the 1 person i always called for work who was also an excellent rider...i got lucky meeting this dude. but, the only awesome rider/burner/mechanic i have came across so i guess i got lucky with that 1.

    i meant no disrespect but hold to my statement. i hope you see what i meant, bro. no worries as this is a point/counterpoint discussion i hope.

    if i missed anything, feel free to let me know.

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    What have we learned today ?....well we learned that i get most of my religion from the christian mingle commercials (remember if god says he`d hit it ...you better wait your fackin turn!) and a Red Rider bee bee gun is not a good x-mas gift (you`ll shoot your eye out ! ) I`m happy with my pot shops cause....wait for it...they don`t charge tax ! I recommend that ALL drugs be legal (just like Ron Paul suggested to congress) so that we could have our own version of The Purge where murder and suicide would be legal !.....yes i think thats it......thats the ticket !

    there is the problem. i knew it would be said. i was just waiting. its the natural evolution of the discussion and the quintessential "slippery slope."
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    i did read post #20 and it was very well said. as far as me saying i thought u were being a bit over dramatic...i'll break it down. as far as homes being built by stoners...i did foundations for 10 years and my crew only had 2 complaints. we had 3 tokers and 2 non-tokers...me being a non. the problem was an architect that measurements wrong both times. framing...3 years...6 probs (had to think on this 1)...2 by stoned idiocy but fixed very quickly as they were good framers and realised what went wrong and even said "duh"...lmao. sounds hypocritical but everyone makes mistakes,...stoned or not...and the homeowners were very happy with the turnout. i've also seen straight or stoned inspectors make good and bad calls. thats a crap shoot in construction. so, i cant say wrong or right there but i can say that the fields i was in, it wasnt a big issue because mistakes were quickly fixed. heavy machinery...i think they should be non-users for the obvious reason. i actually watched a stoned crete truck driver turn his truck over. he was fired....i didnt disagree.

    the pizza guy...who gives a damn if hes high. the driver will get you your pizza or its free if its really late. the cook...if hes "ablaze" he may just "beef up" (no pun intended) toppings making it a killer feast!!!...lmmfao...where's the problem there?

    doctors, pilots, high rise or heavy equipment operators...i agree. SHOULD NOT USE mind altering substances of any sort. if he's on pain killers, give him a shovel and tell him to dig a ditch. the dr...tell him to just stay home. pilots...ground them or take their wings.

    if u deal with kids at all...STAY AWAY FROM THE CRAP!!!! if you're home and wanna slip to the garage and burn 1, whats the harm? stoned at home, no issue. kids involved=hope your pupils arent dilated because you're on something and puting kids in harms way.

    the mechanic...well, the smartest mechanic i ever knew was a burner...the 1 person i always called for work who was also an excellent rider...i got lucky meeting this dude. but, the only awesome rider/burner/mechanic i have came across so i guess i got lucky with that 1.

    i meant no disrespect but hold to my statement. i hope you see what i meant, bro. no worries as this is a point/counterpoint discussion i hope.

    if i missed anything, feel free to let me know.

    thx, bro...mark
    Sounds like you and I agree on a lot, but even if we didn't, there is and never will be anything wrong with different opinions. Thanks for the post!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trike savior View Post

    DOHC (damon) read the post you deleted in the deer stand over the weekend before it disappeared. Wish you would have left it as I wanted to discuss a few points.
    I of course wouldn't be able to remember all of it Jon... But if you want to discuss anything I mentioned, by all means let's discuss.

    Not sure how this stuff works but if a mod can access my deleted post it's fine with me if it re-appears. I'm sure I was stirring the pot.

    Pun intended.

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    el mixico, I'm sorry if i ever offended you. not my intention but you seem like a cool level headed dude. party on, bro!!! trike bros for life!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RIDE-RED 250r View Post
    If you all will allow me this slight digression back to the 2nd for a brief moment and on a lighter note...

    Got bit by my scope for the first time in my life today testing some of my first reloads for my deer rifle.. you guys would be laughing your arses off if you saw me right now!!

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    Got a pop-knock on your forehead huh? lol
    i've had 1. it blows.
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    Liked what Fabio said. And, I agree, lets please keep religion out of this, and all threads, not pertaining to religion. I'd kind of like to voice my views on the subject, but, this is not the place, and I don't want to come "under fire" from anyone that should disagree (particularly those that are religious).

    BKM (I think you were the cop that posted) I'm VERY glad to hear your life's experience with the substance, even though you have not been a user of it. Seeing the type of people you do have to deal with in your line of work, I think that it speaks volumes on this subject.

    I've said a couple of times that I am a user. I believe I have mentioned that my pop uses to, and has for nearly 50 years. I didn't know he toked until 2009, he hid it from my sister and I for all that time. My dad's side of the family suffers from depression and a bit of multiple personalities, and mood swings. And, as I have said before, he is the only one of his siblings NOT on prescription, or, OTC drugs. He gets depressed easily, but, I cannot say that he suffers from "depression". However, pot has made it much easier to live with him. It takes the edge off of him, and keeps him from blowing his top. Sure, it does help that he does actually talk to us about what is bothering him now. In past years he would fly off the handle, and take his venting out on us, his family (verbally thank goodness). But, it was so bad that as a teen I wanted to kill myself. Many of those "venting moments" were when he wasn't burning. Relocating the business from where we first opened was a HUGE relief as a family, as well. I only began to respect my dad as a person, not as an "authority figure", and only began to look up to him as a dad, in the last 6 years since we started working together and his pot smoking was out in the open. And, my pot smoking as well (it's from time to time). We've toked up together many times. He went from being a father to being a dad, and I do believe that marijuana played a big role in that happening, among other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trike savior View Post
    Yes gentlemen. Please start a separate thread if you wish to continue the religion argument.

    Mickey I respect you for all your contributions to the sport. I am glad u still post here and am glad religion works for you but please keep your comments in this thread to the subject at hand. If you have insight as to why God put Marijuana on earth and canabanol receptors in our brains. Please share.

    Fabio much appreciation for what you do on this site and agree with you on most things. Keep up the work and keep on topic.

    no disrespect to either of you gentlemen at all but I wanted this thread to be about the marijuana. So we could get a conversation going that may get those who don't know and don't understand some insight.

    DOHC (damon) read the post you deleted in the deer stand over the weekend before it disappeared. Wish you would have left it as I wanted to discuss a few points.
    Thank you, but I guess I need to be a little clearer. I abuse anything and everything I take in my body that "I think" will make me feel better, including food! So I have talked about Pot because I did the same thing with that. I have stayed on the subject because I found the answer to all the problems in the world and that is in the person of Jesus the Christ who came to save the world and to give us that peace that we are all looking for. You all have your points based on nothing but your view on life, so everyone has an opinion. What I have said is Gods words! So based on the Word of God I gave you the answer and because I have been change by it, there is no argument for what happen to me or anyone else that has believed in what the cross is all about. I can only tell you the truth, God has to impart the truth to you. You can reject what I say I'm use to it, but I'm still commanded to preach The Good News of the gospel to everyone I can reach. I went through the things I did in life so I can relate to people that are going through the same things as I did, weather is racing and riding 3 wheeler, building them to go faster or to relate to this subject on marijuana. As far as why God created marijuana, first I'm glad you recognized that He did created it, He creates things for good, man for the most part abuses it. I think we already know there are good things it is being used for and maybe many more to come. For the most part man uses it for his own purposes. I have not read of anyone arguing on here that a trained doctor in this field that has recommended it to them to help them in a good way. I have seen people playing doctor and giving their opinions with no degrees hang on their walls to back it up, but we all know about opinions don't we, everyone has one. So if anyone thinks they know better then God, the one that created pot please feel free to do so. In His word he makes this statement "PSALM 53 The fool hath said in his heart,There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good." Anyone want to back God up on that? There are some of you that are very wise in your own eyes and talk a good talk. Again God says "Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge : but the fools despise wisdom and instruction." Now by the very nature if I speak of Jesus the Son of God it will stir things up, but it is not my intention to stir thing up by using Gods Word, but it is my intent to tell you the truth out of love. Paul said it this way "Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" I don't want to be enemies with anyone, but that's up to each one of you.

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