2011 TRX450R Might Be WICKED!

[Jason Hall]

Just got done reading this thread, this guy named ThePhantomRider seems to have a good source for finding future Information. From what I have read he has a GREAT record. If he Is correct, that would be WAY cool for the Honda crowd :w00t:

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=412907&perpage=13&pagenumber=1

[rdlsz24]

So they are targeting KTM, as in from the showroom to the track and competitive? Sweet!

Rob

[Tri-Z 250]

:beer blah blah blah....Yamaha!shens

[Billy Golightly]

That guy knew a lot about the Can-Am DS450's before they came out, and it was accurate. I was blessed to see (and touch) #0000004 when Jeremy Lawson was their first factory rider. Interesting stuff for sure about the Honda IF IF IF it turns out to be true. They've been so yuppie lately I don't have high hopes for them to pull it off.

[Saul]

I'll believe it when I see it. Seeing as how they've pulled out of all factory support for next year and all - I just can't see them redesigning the TRX - yet.

Hope so though!

[Jason Hall]

They've been so yuppie lately I don't have high hopes for them to pull it off.

I hear that, but I would Imagine with all the bad mouthing done about Honda for the last 5-8 years, they might just want to shut Everybody up!!! All they need to do Is bring back some OLD technology/geometry (88-89 250R) and keep It LOW. Throw In some Great suspension along with a Honda Aluminum Frame, I think It could be done???

If I remember correctly Can-Am did some wild stuff with the front brake's and spindle's to widen the front stance which also eliminated dreaded bump steer at the same time.

[jensenracing77]

i am just another guy on the net that nobody knows, for what it is worth, this quad does exist! i know no details and have not seen it and i did not know that it was aluminum. i can say i trust my connection. he told me in September of 03 that the 07 450R would have electric start. they got it out a year earlier than he thought. the fact that the new 450 will have injection is not a secret though.

[lndy650]

a lot of haters on exriders.com is all im gonna say

[factoryX]

okay, what could they do to make this motor more powerful? Am I missing something?

[Dirtcrasher]

I'll admit that Honda doesn't seem to be on top anymore IMHO.....

There product will always sell whether it's totally revamped or just a graphics kit got installed :(

I can't believe how many guys call him out and have no faith in him. Read his posts, look at his past predictions; He does very well and people ought to be glad he shares ANY information!!

Thats the internet for ya :lol:

Sounds like a great machine, I wanna see what a fuel injected machine looks like in the carburetor department. Why would anything resembling a carb even be needed?? Be interesting to see and understand.

[lndy650]

Its just a throttle body with an injector

[The Goat]

on the grizzly it honestly looks pretty much just like a carb lol

[deathman53]

I can agree with Jason, honda should buy a walsh crf450r hybrid and learn from it. They should get idea's from the chassis, but not copy it(like jrd did with roll lobo's), use 04/05 450r a-arms, 04/05 spindles, use cr500 rear suspension, somekind of long travel(really long body) front suspension, make it 50" w/ a 47" wide version available. I'd go as far to bring back the 250r fuel tank, seat and fenders too. This what honda should have done in the first place!!!! For the motor, the current 450 kick start is plenty for the average rider, the serious guys will modify any motor no matter how good it is. I don't get honda, why didn't they get a laeger 250r frame designed for 300ex/350x motor and make the 400ex very close to it, afterall, its basically all honda designs anyway. I've ridden 06+ 450r's and the front end SUCKS big time, it pushes so much in corners, why why why did they change something that worked so good???

[honda250sx]

[QUOTE=Dirtcrasher;792328]I'll admit that Honda doesn't seem to be on top anymore IMHO..... QUOTE]


Def. not. Honda has lost 4 POWERHOUSE dealers in NY in the last 90 days... Apparently the 450's aren't the only thing doing bad.

[Micahdogg]

Wow, the Phantom Rider sounds really impressed with himself. I have to wonder, when he states the Honda performance will surpass all others...is he talking about current model or future model stuff. I have to imagine that the YFZ will get a reversed head soon. Granted, the jury is still out on that engine layout, but I think that the YZF won't disappoint.

[Tri-Z 250]

It was a good read but^^Exactly^^my point. Your telling me Honda....the Great all be all builder has an ACE in their back pocket and wanna sell off the rest of the inventory frist? OK and Yamaha put 2 bikes on the floor...side by side. Hmmmm that doesn't seem all that smart does it...Well not everyone will agree with the #1 guys decision...then again they did bring this tech4stroke to the masses frist. Then reinvented a winning 10yr old machine in a bad market. Hmmmm the 250R got retooled how many times in it's 10 run? Oh yeah the 400ex...my bad. Now that was a real powerhouse. Look the real fact is at least the bike will be made, and anything 2yrs from now will be better than today...Isn't that how it works to get us to buy NEW?

[Red Rider]

Your telling me Honda....the Great all be all builder has an ACE in their back pocket and wanna sell off the rest of the inventory frist? OK and Yamaha put 2 bikes on the floor...side by side. Hmmmm that doesn't seem all that smart does it?Actually, that sounds pretty smart & little sneaky too. If you have the 2011 version, and it's as awesome as this guy says it is, and the 2009-2010 version is sitting right next to it, which one do you think people will want to buy? Most likely the new & drastically improved model. So, what do you do to sell off the old stock? Drastically cut the prices on them. By holding off on the new models release, Honda can sell their current stock at normal prices, and then when the new model comes out, a lot of the same people that just bought a 2010 may just pony up the cash for a 2011 as well.

[BigGreenMachine]

With KTM, Polaris, Suzuki and Yamaha all producing MX based machines it makes sense for Honda to join in. I'd like to see some teaser pics though.

[Tri-Z 250]

Well RedRider You don't discount the OLD machine...but add the lost factor of the cost of the NEW product...The price difference will sell itself. MX based quad? correct...old model still apeals to the trial/mod guy with less money to spend. You offer a 3.5% finance on the OLD and Cash only 7.7% on the NEW. I think what is the most misturded angle is HONDA has an OVER RUN of 450R's...Do you think their sitting on 1million units at the warehouse? If you talk to experts and manufactures in the ATV industry...I bet the over all rating of the market is FAR better than the Economy. Utlities and the Side by side markets are carring the industry, sure. So why not market the NEW?......Dealers order the NEW product...so if you sell all kinds of bikes street to dirt type dealer and your BIG. Your not ordering anything in multipals anymore...speculate orders this yr will be at a min. Plus when the public has no money to burn....they don't race. I'd except that as an answer as aposed to selling parts frist. I'm just glad HONDA has some fight left...and wants to put out another possible winner...BRING IT! It only helps to improve the market WORLD WIDE>

[z400guy28]

I'm like Saul i have to see it to beleive it. When Dirtwheels has it in their mag then i'll beleive it.

[Red Rider]

When Dirtwheels has it in their mag then i'll beleive it.What if it's in the April edition of Dirt Wheels, will you still believe it then?

[jason85atc250r]

honda is actually not selling or making any 2010 model trx450r's. They have tons of 07-09's sitting around. there is a shop in PA with 30 or more 2007 trx450r leftovers they are selling for $4000 or so

So i can believe what he was saying about honda waiting to bring it out till they rid of the older models first.

KTM is not bringing out and 2010 quads also due to the same reason as above.

[sdxp787]

honda is actually not selling or making any 2010 model trx450r's. They have tons of 07-09's sitting around. there is a shop in PA with 30 or more 2007 trx450r leftovers they are selling for $4000 or so

So i can believe what he was saying about honda waiting to bring it out till they rid of the older models first.

KTM is not bringing out and 2010 quads also due to the same reason as above.

There is no 2011 TRX450R. Talked to the Honda rep today. Too many 08-09's in warehouses.

[rdlsz24]

Wow really? That's 2 years in a row. Bummer

Rob

[inv3ctiv3]

They're dumb IMO for not producing a new 450R, the reason there are so many left overs is they are behind the times compared to other quads. Look at the KFX, LTR and YFZ 450R's they have aluminum frames, EFI, etc. The TRX was not even a consideration for me when I was looking for a new 450R because of this.

[honda200x1987]

I wonder if the 450R will have a whole new look, will the fenders and such be totally different? I personally would like an old school look myself. They are selling off their inventory before they bring it out so it must be a sick looking ATV .

[tecat-z]

The racing ATV market is nearly dead. There are currently no factory teams that support atv's. All of the support comes from sponsorship outside of the factory. Pro riders salaries are not paid by the oem's either. Around my area atv racing is nearly dead due to the costs involved. There are already so many great hi-performance 450's on the market that they figure there really is no room for another. Leftover's from all brands are sitting and collecting dust even after prices have been drastically cut. How can Honda expect to make money when their msrp of an all new machine will be very high. Honda will never be able to duplicate the class leading and by all accounts the best 4wheeled racing atv ever made. The legendary 86-89 trx250R. Riding high off the great atc's they made, and the complete lack of competition in 88-89 meant they owned the market, and rightfully so. But as we know they dropped the most successful engine/chassis combo ever. Will Honda ever produce an all new racing platform atv? Probably so, but it just doesn't seem like it will happen anytime soon. Plus one that will completely the competition seems pretty far fetched to me. Aluminum frames and EFI doesnt change game. It only puts them in the now! My.02....

[tundrawillie]

A Yamaha dealer told me that the factory riders were replacing the fuel injection on the YFZ450R with previous model carb. And that Yamaha was PO'd about the swap. Makes you wonder whether to believe all the hype about fuel injection.

For the record, Allen Knowles told me the same thing. Two very reputable sources...

[jensenracing77]

yes, i have a friend that has a full GNCC ride and he chucked the injection also.

[honda200x1987]

Any updated news on production of a new Honda 450R ? or any new Sport Quad for that matter

[oldskool83]

i think atv sceen will go dormate for a few years...honestly im suprized it picked back up with all the 450's.

[Micahdogg]

If Honda were smart, they would bring back the 250R two stroke in a limited run. The time is right as the two stroke market is booming right now. You can't even get your hands on a 2011 KTM 250SX unless you live on a coast. Everything between is sold out because people are excited about the new redesign and having a modern smoker.

But then again, Honda doesn't like two strokes.

P.S. I'm driving 300 miles out of my way this weekend, past a bunch of new 2009 YZ450F's with $4500 OTD writen on them, just to pay $6600 for a new KTM 250 smoker. The next closest one is 900 miles away.

[fmnrd]

Does anybody know what the current laws are on 2 strokes ? I was under the impression that they were not going to be allowed to sell new 2 strokes anymore? I have a 86 trx that I bought off the showroom floor for 2100.00 cash in nov 86 . Last year I decided to add a 07 trx 450r . Bought it used with only a few rides on it after the guy dumped a few grand in upgrads . I have been impressed with my 450r .It handles very similiar to my 250r and I ride it a 2 stroke . I must admit the bike does float a little side to side in the dunes, something my 250r never does .Not sure why I think it may be the sand tires I am running on it .I am doing a tires swap with the 250 to see if it makes a differense .

[oldskool83]

years back 06 was supose to be the cut off for all 2 strokes...well i think more so people wanted 4 strokes and they just got fazed out. honda dont make anything2 stroke but kawasaki, yamaha, ktm, husky, tm, gasgas and suzuki still do. i give it another 5 years i i bet we'll see some newer designed ones.

[Micahdogg]

There was never a ban for 2006. It was just a rumor. And the EPA also had nothing to do with it. Otherwise yamaha and ktm wouldn't be selling 2 strokes like hotcakes now in 2011.

[Bryan Raffa]

There was never a ban for 2006. It was just a rumor. And the EPA also had nothing to do with it. Otherwise yamaha and ktm wouldn't be selling 2 strokes like hotcakes now in 2011.

DING! DING! DING!!!! Honda just get's scared easy!

[The Goat]

I wouldn't necessarily call it selling em like hot cakes...everyone in our dealership wants to caryr the new yamahas...but it's like jumping through flaming hoops to ger your hand on them.

ps....at 3999 a dealer is losing about 1200 bucks on the bike. There isn't nearly as much markup as most people think. Hell we wholesale hondas all day long...we only take a hit like that when they've been sititng a while.

[BigGreenMachine]

So, new 450R design? lol Haven't heard a word about anything new from Honda in a while.

[2Tim215]

Am I missing something here? Thought the thread at ATV Riders ended with no 2011 TRX 450R being released?