Are there any Oldsmobile 442 fans on here?

[LonesomeTriZ]

I just wanted to show off my pristine 1985 all original 442. That and I wanted to see if anyone here knows about these cars. Locating information is tough. I really like it; it is a nice looking and running car. I have heard that the white T-tops cars with blue interior are ridiculously rare.

[andrew j hyman]

Old are good cars i have a 1948 olds

[LonesomeTriZ]

That is nice. It looks well cared for.

[mopar_man]

Wow. Both of those are nice. Some more pictures of that '48 would be great. I'm not a real big fan of the 80's Olds but that one looks to be very nice and the rarity adds to it as well. My parents had a '71 or '72 4-door Cutlass with the 350 Rocket in it. I still remember the day they got rid of it and I was only probably 4 years old. Ever since, I've had a soft spot for them. I almost bought a '71 2-door Cutlass as my first car.

[andrew j hyman]

Thanks i had it restored took forever . I like the old stuff

[LonesomeTriZ]

Until I got this one I was not a fan either. Since then I have educated my self some what on this car. Now I like it.

[andrew j hyman]

big boat

[LonesomeTriZ]

Damn. That is a quality restoration right there.

[andrew j hyman]

HI thanks Car was gone for 7 years, the first place it went to srewed it up . Had to pull it out and take it to 2nd shop to finish it What a pain

[LonesomeTriZ]

I look forward to doing a resto like that my self one day.

[SWIGIN]

All I know about 442s is what 442 stands for.

4 barrel carb
4 on the floor
2 duel exhaust

At least this is what it ment when they first came out.

[tecat-z]

I love the 85-87 442's. Beautiful cars. Never seen one in white though.......The 80's had some of the best looking, handling, and riding G.M. midsizes ever. Sadly though with the exception of the 84-87 sfi turbo Buicks, the rest were underpowered. But i still love them for what they were. Great cars! Congrats on keeping one well cared for.....

[LonesomeTriZ]

I am starting to re-think the way I use to look at these cars. The funny thing about this one is it is very closely related to the Grand National. It has the same rear end and chassis.

[volfan537240]

that 442 looked pretty good in person too from what i saw

[LonesomeTriZ]

Thanks man. I gave up a lot for this car, but it had to be done.

[volfan537240]

lol yeah the shed looks way better and you can actually walk around in it now lmao!!!

[posty2100]

my dad has a 72 Oldsmobile Toronado with 455 4 barrel auto front wheel drive, grandparents bought it new and have had it in the family since, it is in really good shape but not mint as it was used as a daily driver and used to haul a boat and sometimes camper to the 1000 islands almost every weekend.

heres a pic off google I found on what it looks like

http://www.cargurus.com/images/2008/03/02/22/48/pic-12333.jpeg

[LonesomeTriZ]

That is awsome. I would love to get a hold of one of the earlier models. That are suppose to be great cars.

[86 350x]

they are very nice cars

[LonesomeTriZ]

If I ever get a damn job, I am thinking about turning this 442 into a project car.

[jensenracing77]

i am an Oldsmobile nut. i have a 1970 Rallye 350, 72 cutlass with original paint and rust free, 69 cutlass parts car, 66 98, 69 Toronado parts car and a 68 cutlass parts car. just sold an 85 442 and a 91 Quad 442 with the W-41 package, they only sold 154 of the W-41s. if you need info go to http://www.classicoldsmobile.com/
it is by far the best Oldsmobile forum on the net.

by the way, do you need a set of factory T top bags in nice shape?

[jensenracing77]

you guys have some nice oldsmobiles!!!

[LonesomeTriZ]

Thanks for the heads up on the site. What is the W-41 pakage? I have a set of T-top bags that look brand new.

[fabiodriven]

Nice car Lonesome. If it were mine, I'd pop a 455 right in that pig. Same block as the wheezy 307. That's just me though...

[LonesomeTriZ]

If the car was not so rare I would as well. But I like the idea of it just being s nice criuser.

[fabiodriven]

If the car was not so rare I would as well. But I like the idea of it just being s nice criuser.

I can respect that aspect as well.shens

[MonroeMike]

Nice looking 442.

Lots of info here.

http://www.442.com/

[harryredtrike]

i personally like the late 60's or early 70's 442's like this one

[jensenracing77]

Thanks for the heads up on the site. What is the W-41 pakage? I have a set of T-top bags that look brand new.

the W-41 was a Quad 4 engine that was putting out over 200HP and would eat a 5.0 mustang for lunch. they had special fuel sump gas tanks, 7400 rpm engine, posi diff, and many other special features.

does your car have the G80 rear? most of the G body 442s had them and they were the same as the grand national rear end. the chevy SS had a wimpy 7.75 rear end.

[LonesomeTriZ]

That is a cool site, thanks.

I agree, I wouldlike to have an older one as well. But I do not mind settling for this one.

What year was the W-41 package offered? I have the G80 but how do I know if I have the W-41? This car is faster than I thought it would be?

[dirtbiken]

Man I love these cars, there awesome!

[andrew j hyman]

Yea Old school stuff is really cool. I have couple Old cars and trucks Just too fun. yea bikes too

[LonesomeTriZ]

I like old stuff. Even my 95 Powserstroke is too new for me.

[fabiodriven]

the W-41 was a Quad 4 engine that was putting out over 200HP and would eat a 5.0 mustang for lunch.

:lol::lol::lol::lol: Oh man, thanks for that. I needed a laugh. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I am well aware of the Quad four and have much respect for them, but eating a Mustang? Not so much...

[LonesomeTriZ]

I would like to see them race.

[fabiodriven]

I just found a couple races on You Tube. Nothing really exciting. Here's a V-6 'Stang Beating an Alero. I couldn't read the time at the end, but it looked like the Alero got a 16 something? Far from beating Mustangs.

[LonesomeTriZ]

How would both cars in stock form do against each other I wonder.

[fabiodriven]

How would both cars in stock form do against each other I wonder.

I was wondering the same thing. IMO, the Mustang would destroy the Quad 4. I got my 85 GT with 156K on the clock. It was almost bone stock, save for an Edelbrock intake and carb. Those two upgrades are only worth probly 10 ponies in a stock Mustang, not a whole lot. My car still had single exhaust on it which was factory for an 85 GT. I raced (and beat) one of those Pontiac GTP's when they were the new craze. The thing was almost new. The guy stopped to talk to me and almost fell over when I told him my car was pretty much stock. Now, for those of you who don't know what a GTP is, it is a Pontiac Gran Prix (I think) with a V-6 and a supercharger. I beat that with an almost stock, 156K, carburated Mustang GT. What do you think would have happened to a Quad 4 with it's smaller engine and no forced induction? Hmm....

[LonesomeTriZ]

It does sound like an interesting match up.

[jensenracing77]

:lol::lol::lol::lol: Oh man, thanks for that. I needed a laugh. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I am well aware of the Quad four and have much respect for them, but eating a Mustang? Not so much...

you are VERY unaware of the W-41 quad 4.

[jensenracing77]

That is a cool site, thanks.

I agree, I wouldlike to have an older one as well. But I do not mind settling for this one.

What year was the W-41 package offered? I have the G80 but how do I know if I have the W-41? This car is faster than I thought it would be?
the 442 W-41 was in 1991 only. i think all the G body 442s were W-40.

the G body 442s do very well and much better than i thought they would also. they are quicker than the Monte Carlo SS.

[LonesomeTriZ]

So much for that. I still have a nice car though. Even though it is not that fast.

[fabiodriven]

you are VERY unaware of the W-41 quad 4.

Actually I'm not. I am by no means an expert or an authority on these motors at all, but I am familiar with them.

So you're telling me that a front wheel drive four cylinder car with 190 HP is going to "eat" a rear wheel drive five speed car with a V8 rated conservatively at 230 HP? Sorry, not gonna happen. Why do you think you hear that saying so much? "This thing eats Mustangs". The reason the Mustang is always the car to compare others to is because they are so difficult to beat. I've never heard anyone say "This thing eats Quad 4's", have you?

My buddy's were telling me two weeks ago about this kid who was gonna "eat" my Mustang with his Neon SRT 4. My Mustang is no longer stock, but neither is his Neon. They said I would take him maybe after I installed my supercharger. B-S. He didn't even stand a chance, and I don't even have the blower on the car yet. Not only did I blow this kid's doors off, I did it twice just to prove my point. I'll line up with a Quad 4 any day and have him beat before I get to third gear.

190 HP?:lol:

[LonesomeTriZ]

I love trash talk bewteen car guys. Maybe some day I will have a dog in this fight. I am more of a truck man myself.

[jensenracing77]

Actually I'm not. I am by no means an expert or an authority on these motors at all, but I am familiar with them.

So you're telling me that a front wheel drive four cylinder car with 190 HP is going to "eat" a rear wheel drive five speed car with a V8 rated conservatively at 230 HP? Sorry, not gonna happen. Why do you think you hear that saying so much? "This thing eats Mustangs". The reason the Mustang is always the car to compare others to is because they are so difficult to beat. I've never heard anyone say "This thing eats Quad 4's", have you?

My buddy's were telling me two weeks ago about this kid who was gonna "eat" my Mustang with his Neon SRT 4. My Mustang is no longer stock, but neither is his Neon. They said I would take him maybe after I installed my supercharger. B-S. He didn't even stand a chance, and I don't even have the blower on the car yet. Not only did I blow this kid's doors off, I did it twice just to prove my point. I'll line up with a Quad 4 any day and have him beat before I get to third gear.

190 HP?:lol:

you may well be aware of the Quad 4 but you are not with the W-41.

[LonesomeTriZ]

The only way to settle this is a race.

[jensenracing77]

i don't mean to hijack your thread but was wondering what the stock early 90s mustangs ran in the 1/4. a bone stock 91 442 W-41 will run 14.7 @ 95.7 MPH, this is with stock tires and pump gas. i think the 94 Cobra only ran 14.6. i am not going to try to convince you any farther because there is no way to do so. you will very unlikely ever get the chance to find out for yourself because they only sold 154 of them to the public and about 50 of those went to collections. that leaves around 100 left and many of those are long gone. Oldsmobile made 204 of them and used 50 of them for there factory race team.

[jensenracing77]

The only way to settle this is a race.

i sold mine last year to a guy in PA.

[tecat-z]

The 85 mustang engine was far from a street terror in stock trim.. Although it was the first year for the oem exhaust headers, and factory roller cam. It was still factory rated at 210hp. For a bit of comparison, the 85 SVO, which had the 2.3 liter turbo4 was rated at 205. The two cars had nearly the same trap speed at the end of the 1/4. A stock 85 5 speed is a 15 sec car on a good day. That's it.! Believe me, the southside of Chicago is where the real rats run till 4am. Grand Prix's 3.8 blower engine made tremendous power! I knew a chick that bought a 97 brand new, and it was amazingly powerful. It still boiles down to power to weight, and those small quad 4's made some heat in their final years of production. For the record, i own a 91 G.T convert, auto, leather and 27,000 original miles. Nice car, but a cruiser for us.

[LonesomeTriZ]

That sounds like a true collectors car. I wonder if I could locate one.

[jensenracing77]

i have connections to locate one. i can usually locate one within a year. the going price for a low mile one is around $9000. the 80s 442s like yours bring more than the W-41s do when in comparable shape.

[LonesomeTriZ]

Wow. They do not look very intimidating.

[fabiodriven]

the only way to settle this is a race.

LINE 'EM UUUUUUUUUPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!:w00t:

[fabiodriven]

you may well be aware of the Quad 4 but you are not with the W-41.

I hadn't heard of that particular model until you posted about it, so I looked it up. Cool motor for sure, but still 190 HP. I looked up the horsepower numbers on the SRT 4 and it's somewhere around 230-245 HP. My buddy's is more than that with the mods he has and the car is really fast. Small, frontwheel drive, light, fast car. Just like the Olds but more horse power, and he fell...

[LonesomeTriZ]

I did not know Olds made a formatable car in the recent decades.

[Tecate 50]

First off LonesomeTriZ nice car!
I have owned every Mustang imaginable dating back to the mid 90's up until 2007, when I sold my 2004 Cobra! The 1985 Mustang in question here would probably be a mid 15 second car tops, and that is with a good driver hooking and running the gears!, so Im being generous. To say you beat up up on a Pontiac Supercharged car is something I would have to witness for myself! Even with the minor Auto Zone mods that were bolted on to to the carburated 302, you cant polish a turd...a 302 is a 302, and with those heads, its just ain't happening! The motor made 210 bhp from Ford.....not so sure it makes that with 156k! At now time was an 85 or 86 rather that fast, they me seem fast when you are racing solo! You wanna see fast cars that are running around the streets, then you need to take a trip to Chicago where the big boys run! And if you wanna see the fastest Tecates in the country, weel then you need to be at Trikefest 2010! Doom will be waiting to throw down the gaunlet......! These are not opinions, these are facts, as I have been racing these machines since day one! If you wanna race that SRT, let me know the truthfull outcome! I ran one of those little light pieces of dynamite with my PROVEN 12 second 2004 Cobra! I came out with a victory, but it wasnt easy by any means! The Cobra made 447 PROVEN horsepower on the chasis dyno....thats are far cry from 210hp!

P.S.
I have a real motor that will drop right into that Mustang, for sale!

[Tecate 50]

Also LonesomeTrZ these comments were for the carburated Mustang owner, not you! Pretty car you have there!

[jensenracing77]

Wow. They do not look very intimidating.

that is what makes them fun. it is the best Olds sleeper ever made. i don't like to admit it but i think the W-41 would have beat my 70 Rallye 350. i never race the two together because i did not want to know. i know where there is an 84 H/O with the lightning rods and all, i am thinking about getting it. if it has the G80 rear end i will most likely get it.

[tecat-z]

The 84 will have the 8.5, 3.73. 83H./O had the weak 7.5. The 84H/O, & 85-87 442's, and the 84-87 turbo Buicks carried the corporate 8.5's. Turbo cars received 3.42. Limited slip was an extra cost option on all, and was a very popular upgrade.

[fabiodriven]

Tecate 50, if you took the time to read all of my posts you would see that I said my car is no longer stock. It was at the time I raced the GTP, but it is by no means stock anymore.

You don't have to believe me if you don't want to. You don't know me. If it's any help I may be able to get a video of me stomping the SRT. The guy who owns it is a good friend of mine so we may be able to set something up.

[Tecate 50]

I took the time to read all the posts from the beginning, when you stated that a 307 and a 455 were the same! So that right there sparked my interest because the two aren't even in the same catagory! Don't get me wrong I love Mustangs, but to say that your particular Mustang would beat down these cars that you mention is questionable. If you do decide to make video footage which isn't necessary, then video your Mustang at the track! Due you have any ideas on what kind of times it will run......I'm saying mid 15's tops, with the stock replacement parts you bolted on!

[fabiodriven]

I took the time to read all the posts from the beginning, when you stated that a 307 and a 455 were the same! So that right there sparked my interest because the two aren't even in the same catagory! Don't get me wrong I love Mustangs, but to say that your particular Mustang would beat down these cars that you mention is questionable. If you do decide to make video footage which isn't necessary, then video your Mustang at the track! Due you have any ideas on what kind of times it will run......I'm saying mid 15's tops, with the stock replacement parts you bolted on!

I may be mistaken, but I thought the 307 was the same (or very similar) block as the 350/455 Olds. Is it not? I'm a Ford guy, so forgive me.

I am hoping to get to the track this year, but by that time my blower will be on so that is going to change everything.

I have more than stock replacement bolt-ons. My motor is from an '89 GT. It has a cam in it (I don't know what it is, I didn't install it), underdrive pulleys, Pete Jackson Gear drive (no HP gain there, just noise), Weiand Stealth intake, Edelbrock 600 carb, Mac equal length headers, full 2.5 inch exhaust, 3.73's, Weld "fat 'n skinny" Draglites, aftermarket shifter (I forget what brand), aluminium driveshaft, a Flexfan, and a 1" phenolic carb spacer. It may not sound like a lot, but she gits right up and has surprised more than one person.

My buddy has a theory that someone may have done some head work on it because it seems too fast for what it is. He knows his shite too. He's got a '90 Camaro with a Golen 383 that's about 600 HP and that's without the 200 shot of Nitrous. It pulls the front wheels off the ground (and it's for sale in NY if anyone is interested).

By the time I get to the track the car will have the Weiand 174 Roots-style blower installed, bigger fuel pump, subframe connectors, tubular trailing arms, MSD BTM ignition, torque box reinforcements, a mini spool, and a Tremec TKO 1 tranny. All these parts are sitting at my house as I write this, just gotta get 'em installed.

With the current mods the car has I would have to guess it's probably around 300 ponies and somewhere in the high to mid 13's, but I'm just guessing.


EDIT- Are you sure about the 307 being different? The headers I put on my 88 Cutlass were for the 307/350/455 Olds. That I know for a fact...

And my buddy's Camaro is 500 HP, not 600.

[LonesomeTriZ]

I do not even care that we got off track. I love this kind of talk. Since we moved to GA I have been out of the racing game. I was hoping to biuld a car with my son who is not old enough to know how to tighten bolts. But until I get hired that is a no go. So, I will have to settle for reading about the cars you all have.

[fabiodriven]

Lol- I agree. Nothing like some good 'ol bench racing.

[Tecate 50]

Bench racing is fun....!

[LonesomeTriZ]

Yeah, right now it is the only racing I can do. I do plan to start tracking down some Z stuff soon though. So maybe I see a light at the end of this tunnel.

[jensenracing77]

some oldsmobile engine info

the 260, 307, 350, and 403 were all small blocks and the 400, 425, and 455 were all big blocks. the only difference between the small and big blocks were the deck height. the cams even interchange. the 455 will not fit into a G body car without adding a scoop on the hood because it is to tall. also a 455 will only go into a G body that has A/C. the non A/C cars had a heater box that was in the way. i am not sure but a 455 may go into a G body with the stock hood if you use a old toronado intake manifold. the Toro intake was a low profile manifold and did not perform that well because of it. does anyone have a set of D, H, or F heads for an olds big block? they are worth over $4000.

[LonesomeTriZ]

That is good information.

[jensenracing77]

does your car have the 85 MPH speedometer or the 120? the 120 speedo is hard to find and getting very desirable. i don't think the 85s had them but not sure.

[LonesomeTriZ]

Man you just made me walk outside. It has the 85 speedo. I winder if I can locate a 120 one.