Three Wheeler ban video complete copies??????

[motoman011]

This has been a HUGE discussion with my children and wife since we started riding trikes again this last year. I remember my parents making me watch the 20/20 or dateline show even though they never "banned" me. I also remember some stupid guy on a 250r or something jumping a hill with no helmet, kids unsupervised ect. Does anyone have a complete copy of the program that I can download to a disc and sit with them and watch it. It would be worth a 1000 words if I could actually show them the stupid situations that were filmed and the real reason they were banned, they all need to undersatnd that it was from people NOT the machines themselves. Any help would be great!

Thanks

[scottp597]

Is this it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS1xIIHFS2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwTRxHceP28&feature=related

[honda200x1987]

The videos are rigged to make the ATC look dangerous, look at the slow motion video in part one, you can see the front tire is flat and the rider "Nelson" intensionally made the ATC crash, totally rigged. it's 3:25 in the video.

[Xpress]

Yep, I bet I could make a nice and completely rigged video that will make millions of quad owners throw their quads away, and make it seem like quads are even more dangerous lol.

[powdiddy]

its just like they say its not the guns that kill people.

[hang&rattle]

motoman011- My kids are 8(9) and 10(11). We had trouble with them on quads tipping and rolling. They do not wreck much on trikes now. We are very close because we are a triking family. Take a gander at my album and pick which pictures you think would show the best activities and fun you and your family are going to have. Some, my kids are riding the snot out of them and getting squirrely, so you may just want to show some of them for right now, but you will see the adventures we have with watersports and wildlife, this will help them see how a family bonds together riding.

[hang&rattle]

Well said ATC King. Another thing I have always ment to ask Billy on the ban was how many ban members were elected to political office later? And the statistics on deaths and injury on the 20/20 show included 4-wheelers in with the 3-wheelers. Also per registered trikes of 1000 and registered quads of 1000, 3/1000 were killed on trikes, 9/1000 on quads- more people killed on quads. And canada is currently trying to ban large top-heavy quads because of the high flip-overs and deaths occuring, but what's done is done, and numbers don't matter now. The govt. thinks bank bail-outs was a great idea also!

[cr480r]

whats sad is how many american people actually bought into that... Americans love to pass the blame for thier own negligence.. Everyone I know has either been hurt on or heard of someone being hurt on a atv... everyone knows the potential for injury. Big deal. The same could be said about any automobile.. More people have probably been in auto wrecks than anything else...but they still sell those... and stupid or irresponsible drivers still crash them... It pisses me off that I could go out right now and buy my young son a potentialy very dangerous skateboard or bicycle... but as an adult I cant go buy a new trike for myself... I could go buy a new chainsaw and with no instuctional training or test I could go fall a tree on myself or cut my leg off... would the saw be to blame?

[harryredtrike]

its good to teach everyone riding all about safety.how to turn correctly,wear safety gear,and have awareness about your riding terrain,i,e.dont go balls out in an area your not familiar with.

[honda200x1987]

If he had tested a 4 wheeler in the same manner it would have flipped also, you can make any machine flip over if you rigged it up like he had done. The ATC should have never been banned but they may be making them again in the future, atleast that is what Honda rep had told me a couple months ago.
Ha Ha. Anyone that wasn't blind could see that pad on the rack of the ATC in preparation for the front flip.

It's like he was saying "Look mom, no brains."

Typical one sided media protecting their funders interest.

[Tri-Z 250]

The ATC should have never been banned but they may be making them again in the future, atleast that is what Honda rep had told me a couple months ago.
:lol:You Honda Guys:wondering

[Xpress]

^That is if the ban gets removed (which it will). We just need to rally up support, seems like nobody seems interested in getting the ban lifted and sticking it to them.

[inv3ctiv3]

^That is if the ban gets removed (which it will). We just need to rally up support, seems like nobody seems interested in getting the ban lifted and sticking it to them.

That's because most of us are realists and know that it will never happen. I always hate to be the downer in these threads but it's been discussed a million times, 3-wheeler sales were down a huge amount before the ban and 4-wheeler sales were way up. It's not just the CPSC that thinks trikes are dangerous but the general public. And you know this just as well as any of us Xpress, your friend said you can't ride a 3-wheeler on his property because they are too likely to flip (which isn't true as we all know). How many times have you had someone say "those are dangerous" or "aren't those illegal?" If everyone wanted new trikes TPC would be making a lot of money right now.

Trikes will not be coming back into production.

[Xpress]

That's because most of us are realists and know that it will never happen. I always hate to be the downer in these threads but it's been discussed a million times, 3-wheeler sales were down a huge amount before the ban and 4-wheeler sales were way up. It's not just the CPSC that thinks trikes are dangerous but the general public. And you know this just as well as any of us Xpress, your friend said you can't ride a 3-wheeler on his property because they are too likely to flip (which isn't true as we all know). How many times have you had someone say "those are dangerous" or "aren't those illegal?" If everyone wanted new trikes TPC would be making a lot of money right now.

Trikes will not be coming back into production.

I like how you say it like it's fact. I never said my friends won't let me ride on their property because they can flip, they did say that I was going to kill myself because they can flip. The funny thing is, now after having ridden around with my friends, they're totally game for trikes now, and one of my friends is now looking for a 200x, because he likes the way mine handles.

And CPSC did say they didn't find any instability issues with them either. A modern trike would look more appealing to a lot of people, not to mention no matter WHERE you go, you're always the one getting the good attention with your trikes (especially if they're clean). A couple years ago when I brought out my 110 to a recreational area, lots of people came up to me and were checking it out.

[inv3ctiv3]

I like how you say it like it's fact. I never said my friends won't let me ride on their property because they can flip, they did say that I was going to kill myself because they can flip. The funny thing is, now after having ridden around with my friends, they're totally game for trikes now, and one of my friends is now looking for a 200x, because he likes the way mine handles.

And CPSC did say they didn't find any instability issues with them either. A modern trike would look more appealing to a lot of people, not to mention no matter WHERE you go, you're always the one getting the good attention with your trikes (especially if they're clean). A couple years ago when I brought out my 110 to a recreational area, lots of people came up to me and were checking it out.

I'll quote you from your other thread found here: http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php?114526-My-friends-believe-trikes-are-more-dangerous-than-quads&highlight=

"I should also mention that their dad got angered enough at me for just saying that "Trikes aren't any more dangerous than the rider who rides them" to where he kicked me off from ever going there again..."

I know you like to be optimistic and that's good but trikes will not be back in production, we are a VERY small group of people that love trikes, 90% of the people I talk to think I am an idiot for riding one and always say "you're gonna kill yourself on that thing." I wish they would make trikes again but are you gonna fork over $8-9,000 for a new one? Nope. ATV sells are wayyyyy down right now let alone if they sold a vehicle with such a negative stigma as a 3-wheeler (an un-fair stigma).

[Xpress]

^That wasn't my friend, it was his dad, who was intoxicated, and completely denys saying that thing by saying "I said that? What?? No way broo, trikes are cool!" :rolleyes:

I believe you said:


your friend said you can't ride a 3-wheeler on his property because they are too likely to flip

He wasn't being specific..

There are over 15,000 members here on 3WW alone. Who knows how many hundreds of thousands of other trike owners there are out there that still ride, and would like to see them back in production. I don't think they would run $8000-$9000 new, maybe fully loaded with every option, but a 300CC trike would only run about $5000 or so, and yes I would pay for that. Even a bigger trike wouldn't run 9 grand new (maybe a REALLY big one, but nobody wants those). I have also talked to a lot of guys who rode trikes back then, and they said they would love to see them back in production, and it was total bull that they banned them.

I think you're the one who's trying to side with the selection of mal-informed people. There's lots of people out there, and when the economy comes back up, if a trike comes out, people would buy it. Parents still buy their kids those toy trikes, do not they??

I believe I read something in one of the honda threads here where a member was talking to Honda, and Honda said if the ban gets removed completely, then they will put them back into production.

Anyways, back onto topic of CPSC's rigged tests :)

[HuffieVA]

I don't write much on these forums (as you can see from my post count) but every time I hear the ever popular "Why would you want a three wheeler" comment, I respond with... Do you have kids? followed with... "After your child learned to crawl and eventually walk, what was the first form of transportation YOU provided to them as their very own?" then I ask them... "Why would YOU put YOUR kid on a three wheeler?"... It usually confuses them into frustration, basically because it really doesn't make sense, after all if a "Trike" is okay for a two year old, why not for a 40 year old?

My son is 12, he has a KX85, KLX 140 and a Blaster, but he has also ridden my Tecate as well as my RM250 and my Husqvarna WR360 (of course he needs milk crates to ride the bikes). Of course there is a chance he could get hurt or killed, of course he could, I don't think that's being a bad parent, simply one that is in touch with the reality of life. He has been trained and taught how to ride each kind of machine, and he is quite good on 2, 3 & 4 wheels, he has all the safety equipment and he wears it, he has witnessed idiots getting hurt by doing stupid things on bikes/trikes/quads as well as seen professionals get hurt riding under controlled conditions, so he knows that things can go bad in a hurry. As you watch the parents in the video they pretend to be amazed that anyone ever got hurt on an ATV, don't get me wrong I do feel for them, losing a child to death or injury would be incomparable to anything I've personally gone through, but these tragic injuries/deaths could have either been avoided or the chances of them happening greatly reduced if their parents had taken the time to teach their kids how to ride instead of telling them to read the owners manual and by not allowing them to ride two-up (in the case of the girl). Three wheelers as well as all ATV's and Motorcycles in general have gotten a bad rep over the years because some parents simply buy them as a "Babysitter" and send the kid off with little or no knowledge or protective equipment, then they call their lawyers when the kid gets hurt. This asinine way of raising kids has led to the ban of three wheelers and countless other uncalled for regulations on other things as well such as a constant decline in riding areas... Don't believe me? Watch the news, now that every house has two to three PlayStation's obesity has become more of a problem, whats the answer? List the calories on the side of the candy bar? Yea Right, How bout teaching the kid to do something fun that not only gives them exercise but builds their confidence and fine motor skills, while learning some real consequences for their actions and reactions (other than hitting the restart button) Take them riding....

Rodd

[inv3ctiv3]

^That wasn't my friend, it was his dad, who was intoxicated, and completely denys saying that thing by saying "I said that? What?? No way broo, trikes are cool!" :rolleyes:

I believe you said:



He wasn't being specific..

There are over 15,000 members here on 3WW alone. Who knows how many hundreds of thousands of other trike owners there are out there that still ride, and would like to see them back in production. I don't think they would run $8000-$9000 new, maybe fully loaded with every option, but a 300CC trike would only run about $5000 or so, and yes I would pay for that. Even a bigger trike wouldn't run 9 grand new (maybe a REALLY big one, but nobody wants those). I have also talked to a lot of guys who rode trikes back then, and they said they would love to see them back in production, and it was total bull that they banned them.

I think you're the one who's trying to side with the selection of mal-informed people. There's lots of people out there, and when the economy comes back up, if a trike comes out, people would buy it. Parents still buy their kids those toy trikes, do not they??

I believe I read something in one of the honda threads here where a member was talking to Honda, and Honda said if the ban gets removed completely, then they will put them back into production.

Anyways, back onto topic of CPSC's rigged tests :)

Lol dude new 450R's MSRP for over 8k! That's before the $1000 in set up and freight fees....ask me how I know, I went to buy. KFX450R two weeks ago, they were going to sell me the quad for $4900 but after tax and fees it was $6200! That's over 2k in just extra fees, and they were only seeing it so cheap because it was an 09. So by your logic you think they'd be selling a 300cc trike for about 3k.... I am not trying to side with anyone but be realistic, I am one of the people that actually would buy a new trike and hopefully will have a new TPC 450R in the next year. But I am like dirtcrasher and think we need to concentrate on making new parts to keep our current trikes alive. And a few hundred thousand riders? Nope. This site has 15000 members and about 100 are actively posting, the reason so many people join is to ask a question about a $150 trike they bought which brings me to my next point, price. Trikes now a days cost anywhere from free to a few hundred bucks in riding condition which makes them a little more popular, most people can't afford $5-9,000 trikes. We all would love them to be back, me included! But I don't get my hopes up on something I know won't happen, and maybe one day I'll be wrong and you can throw it back in my face but until then keep enjoying your oldschool trike.

[dear140]

this all depends on the rider. you have ton not go balls to the wall when you first start riding. ive never dumped my bike on a turn in my life. this vid is complete bs.

[hang&rattle]

First, there is no ban on 3-wheelers. The original cpsc consent decree was a ban on the SALE of three-wheelers. It's not illegal to own a trike. And it was a 10 year ban, the ban for dealers selling them has long since passed. If there is ever a trike produced again it will be like Tiger, or Tricky Dick's- TPC. And with the way the govt. regulates small business and the fact that the u.s. no longer is a productive industrial country, no one could profit enough to mass produce. A company that builds race bikes and quads with the full facilities, may have the resorces to produce a few here and there, but won't be 36,000 race trikes sold in in 2 years as in 85-86. We owners are even more rare than the trikes themselves. These things can be rebuilt with new & manufacured parts, but if you truly love these trikes, expect it pay more or close to the amount of a quad. I know by the time it's all said and done, I'll have no less than $3,000 in my Tecate, one rebuild in the U.K. the dude spent over $20,000, and it won't be winning any AMA sanctioned races anytime soon. They are not bringing back the Desoto, Studebaker, Indian, or hash jeans.

[Mr_RPM]

the only reason why i like my 110 soooo much is because its special. if trikes were brought back it would just be a boring turd, like a trx125. i know i dont want a trx 125, thats boring
bringing back trikes would be like bringing back classic cars. it would ruin the specialness

i would like if parts would be available but that will never happen. but bringing back trikes would just ruin what we have.

inv3ctiv3, nothing wrong with being a realist. everytime this happens rather about quad Vs trike stability or what have you i always agree.

[HuffieVA]

ive never dumped my bike on a turn in my life.....

Then you haven't been riding hard enough...

[honda200x1987]

For those who are not so optomistic about any company making the ATC again like kawasaki. suzuki, honda , etc. Just call Honda , there is a number on their site at honda.com .. Here is the number 866-784-1870. Just ask them if Honda will make the ATC again and they will say YES it is a possibility, . Beleive me I have talked to a Honda rep over the phone and much to my surprise they cannot make a discontinued part unless there is a new model year being built, so you can't tell me they are not thinking about it. If they are building prototypes you will not know until it is unveiled and production will start before you know, it would be top secret. Yes the ATC was banned but only for 10 years and that was from 1987. Now as my personal opinion on this if they were to build "trikes" for adults only , now that would be more realistic and rule out the fear of selling smaller ATC's to young children and that was the big debate and why they were banned. The four wheeler has become old news and I beleive that adult ATC's would sell over the 4 wheeler today or be very competitive. I also beleive that if atleast one of the BIG 4 ,like Honda for instance, bring back the old school look of the later 80's models. The 1986-87 ATC200X ,1985-86 ATC350X, ATC250R and the legendary 1986 TRX250R have a timeless look to them, just take the old school look and put them into today's technology and you have something people would buy today.

[Xpress]

Then you haven't been riding hard enough...

Or u're doin it rite. :lol:

[Mr_RPM]

For those who are not so optomistic about any company making the ATC again like kawasaki. suzuki, honda , etc. Just call Honda , there is a number on their site at honda.com .. Here is the number 866-784-1870. Just ask them if Honda will make the ATC again and they will say YES it is a possibility, . Beleive me I have talked to a Honda rep over the phone and much to my surprise they cannot make a discontinued part unless there is a new model year being built, so you can't tell me they are not thinking about it. If they are building prototypes you will not know until it is unveiled and production will start before you know, it would be top secret. Yes the ATC was banned but only for 10 years and that was from 1987. Now as my personal opinion on this if they were to build "trikes" for adults only , now that would be more realistic and rule out the fear of selling smaller ATC's to young children and that was the big debate and why they were banned. The four wheeler has become old news and I beleive that adult ATC's would sell over the 4 wheeler today or be very competitive. I also beleive that if atleast one of the BIG 4 ,like Honda for instance, bring back the old school look of the later 80's models. The 1986-87 ATC200X ,1985-86 ATC350X, ATC250R and the legendary 1986 TRX250R have a timeless look to them, just take the old school look and put them into today's technology and you have something people would buy today.

you dont think they are saying that just to make you happy. theres a possibility a meteor will hit the earth tomorrow, but its slim. they probably have had a bunch of people starting from 1988 asking if trikes will ever return they probably just started telling people what they wanted to hear.
and i think after the banns 10 year thing was over pres G.W. Bush signed a perm bann on trikes, not sure where i read that.

i just wouldent get your hopes up on the word "possibility" the main 4 cant even sell quads these days. why take the risk

[honda200x1987]

There is not a permanent Bann on trikes and I am sure Honda reps would not tell you a lie to keep your hopes up, just ask them if there is a perm Bann. I strongly beleive they will manufacture the machines once again sometime in the future.
you dont think they are saying that just to make you happy. theres a possibility a meteor will hit the earth tomorrow, but its slim. they probably have had a bunch of people starting from 1988 asking if trikes will ever return they probably just started telling people what they wanted to hear.
and i think after the banns 10 year thing was over pres G.W. Bush signed a perm bann on trikes, not sure where i read that.

i just wouldent get your hopes up on the word "possibility" the main 4 cant even sell quads these days. why take the risk

[Mr_RPM]

yeah, corporations NEVER lie =P hahaha. well i hope your right. im just a skeptic, but i do hope your right.

[inv3ctiv3]

There is not a permanent Bann on trikes and I am sure Honda reps would not tell you a lie to keep your hopes up, just ask them if there is a perm Bann. I strongly beleive they will manufacture the machines once again sometime in the future.

You are so mis-informed! There was definitely a permanent ban on the importation of 3-wheeled ATV's passed! Look at page 1 and page 6 of this article:
http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/atvoverview.pdf

And that's not from weird 3-wheeler site that is directly from the CPSC and the depressing thing is you've seen this, you posted this in the thread that article can be found in:

I just don't fully understand this BANN, it's BS! If I ever win the freakin lottery or become rich. I will pay to have every freakin part that was discontinued made again even if I don't make a dollar, just so we all can enjoy these machines.

[MudBug]

I entirely agree with Inv3ctiv3, they are not coming back. And in the slim chance that they do, it will only ruin the triking community, because everyone will have a new trike and think that they are die hard trikers like us on this site. The new trike riders still wont know anything about the history or technology of these machines. We're all better off if the trikes remain a part of history. Besides, if you wanted a new trike that bad, just buy a TPC! It will cost roughly the same as a new trike that honda would produce.

[hang&rattle]

First, there is no ban on 3-wheelers. The original cpsc consent decree was a ban on the SALE of three-wheelers. It's not illegal to own a trike. And it was a 10 year ban, the ban for dealers selling them has long since passed. If there is ever a trike produced again it will be like Tiger, or Tricky Dick's- TPC. And with the way the govt. regulates small business and the fact that the u.s. no longer is a productive industrial country, no one could profit enough to mass produce. A company that builds race bikes and quads with the full facilities, may have the resorces to produce a few here and there, but won't be 36,000 race trikes sold in in 2 years as in 85-86. We owners are even more rare than the trikes themselves. These things can be rebuilt with new & manufacured parts, but if you truly love these trikes, expect it pay more or close to the amount of a quad. I know by the time it's all said and done, I'll have no less than $3,000 in my Tecate, one rebuild in the U.K. the dude spent over $20,000, and it won't be winning any AMA sanctioned races anytime soon. They are not bringing back the Desoto, Studebaker, Indian, or hash jeans.

I already said and researched all of this and everyone keeps explaining in more in detail. This is not even a debate, the gentlemen on this site have already researched this info. Thee-wheelers WILL NOT be reproduced again or imported by major Japanese or European companies. They can however be produced by a u.s. company. They are not banned, just the sale of them are banned, that's been lifted 13 years ago. The sale of any atv is down right now, and new govt. regulations make it too expensive to produce a trike product. On top of that, insurance, labor, steel, etc, is to expensive for a profit, and only a handful of us are actually interested. There are folks on these forums that are rich and could definitely produce and build these vehicles, but know there is no profit or market to continue on a large enough scale. I mean, don't you think it would be done by now? TPC and several other hands build hi-bred trikes and there are several good builders, the market is already cornered by the top notch builders, who will be bumped if someone produces a better product more efficiently, extremely competitive. If Honda, Kawasaki, etc, where to reproduce another trike it would be junk anyway. The steel produced nowadays is garbage, the motors are disposable and will only last about 10 years, and china uses cheap labor. It's irritating people chase windmills, when the facts and info are right in front of them. READ AND RESEARCH!

[inv3ctiv3]

I already said and researched all of this and everyone keeps explaining in more in detail. This is not even a debate, the gentlemen on this site have already researched this info. Thee-wheelers WILL NOT be reproduced again or imported by major Japanese or European companies. They can however be produced by a u.s. company. They are not banned, just the sale of them are banned, that's been lifted 13 years ago. The sale of any atv is down right now, and new govt. regulations make it too expensive to produce a trike product. On top of that, insurance, labor, steel, etc, is to expensive for a profit, and only a handful of us are actually interested. There are folks on these forums that are rich and could definitely produce and build these vehicles, but know there is no profit or market to continue on a large enough scale. I mean, don't you think it would be done by now? TPC and several other hands build hi-bred trikes and there are several good builders, the market is already cornered by the top notch builders, who will be bumped if someone produces a better product more efficiently, extremely competitive. If Honda, Kawasaki, etc, where to reproduce another trike it would be junk anyway. The steel produced nowadays is garbage, the motors are disposable and will only last about 10 years, and china uses cheap labor. It's irritating people chase windmills, when the facts and info are right in front of them. READ AND RESEARCH!

Yup, never heard back from anyone on this after I posted that CPSC report.....

[Mr_RPM]

ok i dont mean to start something here new here but.....trikes cannot be imported but can still be made by companies here in america right? well would american Honda count?
Honda makes alot of their stuff in the US. in ohio they have a huge plant and make alot of bikes and quads there.
just wondering if they would count as a american company or not. Suzuki does alot in the US too.
just wondering...lol

[inv3ctiv3]

It doesn't matter if it is built here, honda is a Japanese company and america honda is just a sub-section of honda.

[Mr_RPM]

Polaris then ehh? lol im just teasin, who would want one of those anyway? :lol: