Just Got BUSTED on MY OWN PROPERTY

[leviblue]

I've had a REALLY SHTY WEEK... My dog died on Sundy and my new $1100 brake job is SHT. So I went to work on a R that I had for awhile. Put a whole new rear, axel, and brakes on it today and took it for a spin across the street on the faimly's farm/woods. Now the whole neighborhood uses it every day. But we have a storage units on the edge of the property. The kids are riding their retaining pond, it's a killer bowl. An employee saw me riding in our wetlands right on the edge and called the cops. I dont ride their proterty, it's about 1/2 arce and only the pond.
So the cops came while I'm feeding my horse at the barn and arrest me for tresspassing. I was like you gotta be kidding me. But oh no in the abck of the car I went. They also took the bike. It seems sence the kids were riding it the owner was pissed and wants to file charges. Even thogh I didn't ride on it the cops said they were tire of chasing the kids back on our property. They know who they are cuz they cut through to get over to us to ride. But I'm going to be the example so that everyone knows not to cut through.
Now the bike has no title, Ebay frame. I had to BEG them to let me get it back. I had to explane it was a frame off ebay. So they ran it and it came up clean but took it anyway just to be DICKS. They said they wanted me to pay the tow fee and to come in tomorrow to get the release form. I'm also getting tickets mailed to me, what they are I couldn't tell ya cuz I don't know.
Never in 26 years have we had a problem.

[Mr_RPM]

my week has been just as bad. legal issues and medical.
I can't believe you were arrested for that. Thats the kinda stuff that makes me want to go on a rampage.
I am soo sorry for what happened and you make sure those kids are yelled at.

back in the day we had cops called on us riding all the time and we actually were trespassing and we got lucky enough for the cops to just tell us to go home. One time a friend ran from them....thats another story.

sorry the damn system gotcha, its not fair but life isn't either.
good luck on it all.

[ATC Dude]

If you were not trespassing and you were arrested for trespassing. Maybe you should get a lawyer and sue for false arrest or something.

[sugarhead]

I would sue 2 the NJ police are turning into a bunch of nazi keystone cops.Sorry you/ve had a bad week mr rpm and lindenwold.I had to put my dog down back in march it was a very hard thing for me to have to do.Its a shame our state is run and is in a perpetual state of greed by money hungry @ssholes.

[hang&rattle]

You were just done wrong. Makes me wish I could just do something. This country's goin' to chit when you can't even travel in the own area of your property. The jack@$$e$ that busted the childrens hump, go beat the piss outta him, now that's right and that's justice, at least if you get arrested it'll be for what right: a good ol' country @$$-whoopin'!

[whyzee]

i am sorry about the dog

[HondaRidr]

That's BULLS**t that you got arrested for that!! That pisses me off!

[fabiodriven]

Dude, that is total bullocks. If you truly did not trespass and you were in fact on your own property then fight it, fight it, fight it, until the bitter end. That is beyond wrong if what you are saying is true.

[leviblue]

I'd fight it but I wanna see what comes out with the tickets. It's one of those he said he said things now. The police wanna prove a point and stop the street riding and cut throughs. It'll end out making me put up a cable fence acroos the back of the property. They know if it happens to me all the sht will stop. Cuz I'll BTCH. With all the people from the site who has ridden here they'll tell ya I don't run ya over there.
I'm more worried about the bike. I just put in a new top end, coolhead, oldskool PT pipe. And today to get my mind off of sht I put in all new lonestar in the rear, new rotor and new 9in douglas's with fasttrackers. All I wanna do is get it out of impound and not cause any trouble with them. I really don't need them breaking my balls and they will. We have very bored cops here who can make normal life a living hell.

[Aregistereduser]

gah i hate cops. they dont even let the civilans talk. they just presume were already criminals.

[oldskool83]

holey crap! glad where i ride im outta sight outta mind and no one but 2 other people know about it. hope for the best for your R

[muthey]

I guess I'm fortunate that the cops up here mostly grew up with three wheelers or still have them and are really cool about us riding, they usually just give us warnings and let us be, sometimes they just tell us to go somewhere else and ride sorry to hear the east coast is such hard butts about it,

[Mr. Clean]

If you have been arrested for trespassing or for anything......the best thing is NOT to post information on a forum such as this until legal matters are resolved.....Im just sayin :crazy:

[Xpress]

gah i hate cops. they dont even let the civilans talk. they just presume were already criminals.

Exactly! What the hell happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?????????

If they arrested you on your property you can file invasion of personal property charges. That's bullchit. If a pair of bored cops came on my property uninvited without a warrant and arrested me AND took one of my trikes, they would regret it!!

[rasorroad250r]

I am sorry to hear that. Total BS I say. No peace without justice. Sorry about your dog .

[Chazz of Blades]

Just give Patrick Stewart a casual call, and get him to yell at them for a while in that soul melting accent.

[corndawg]

id make it a point to ride right on the edge of that property line from now on..all day everyday if possible, without the cops actually seeing you on thier property or the owner having photos i dont see it going anywhere in court, you could probably get him for filing false charges make him cover all your costs and impound fees

edit..just less than a month ago i was on a highway on my bike running right along with traffic and passed and state trooper, he never even hit his brakes or acted like he even thought twice about turning around, crazy how different veiws in parts of the country can be

[STLTrike]

Get a lawyer. Also what police department? This should be posted. Well maybe not if they are dicks like that they would probably also mess with you and your family. But get a lawyer for sure.

And for next ride buy a Helmet Cam film your self on your bike riding on your property. And ride all freaken day on your property next to theirs. Heck take off your exahust too.

[JayBone]

First off if you do decide to fight it, get a lawyer outside your county. They aren't so buddy buddy with the Prosecutor then. This is what i was told after i was arrested a few years back and made a mistake by getting the lawyer everyone told i should use.

This state totally sucks in so many ways!!

I'm sorry about the dog and all this BS you now have to deal with.

[Brockey]

Heck take off your exahust too.

Lol, just got out of bed and read this. Coffee almost hit the screen trying to visualize no exhaust buzzing around all day. Sorry to hear about your luck. I got nailed by the cops 2 weeks ago for Dealer Temp stickers on my plate in the car. I'm going to court and fighting this one.

[motorhead]

I have to say "Fight this one"

Just make sure:

1. You own the property
2. There isn't some stupid ordinance in the city, or township, etc

Then:

1. Who saw you? You have a right to meet your accuser in court
2. Crossing the road may create a problem, push it across


Good Luck

Motorhead

[hang&rattle]

^Last two replies are very useful, good comment fellas, that's the way to go about it it seems.

[leviblue]

Well I just got back from the police station and impound. $153.50 for the impound. I know the tow yard so I wasn't charged for the tow. It seems the township gets $153.50 on every impound thats theirs to keep. As for fighting it I'm just gonna see what the tickets are. My neighbor is a cop and started laying into me about all the calls they get from the storage units and that I should just eat it or they'll be over everytime I start a bike in the yard.He said next time no title no insurance no bike .They will take it for being an unregistered atv. Keep in mind I have to cross the street to ride and I was told even pushing it across is against the law. Once it hits public property, the street, runing or not I'll get a ticket. I was also told a fence is a good idea and not to tell the kids I'm putting one up. If I do that there might be no charges but I'll get still get a few fines for the trouble of them comming out. My lawyer say's to just wait and see but if I just get the fines I'd be lucky and not to fight it cuz they'll be there everytime someone cuts through. Trust me if it was the other township on the otherside of the property I wouldn't be here. I ride with those cops. It's just my township is money hungry and will screw with you. Get in your car and run to Quickie Mart and they'll pull you over just cuz they can. You can't do anything because it's your word against the police. Now if your a judge who are you gonna believe?? It's just not worth the trouble.
I now have a stock 85R for sale to cover the fines and to let the cops think they've won.

[Modding_out]

I believe you, but man that's just f'd up, the cops around here are no better. in new jersey I really fail to see what purpose the cops of today serve? all they do is harass citizen's and hand out tickets.
What happened to protect and to serve? I don't see them protecting us, but I do see them serving us tickets:crazy:

There are very few "friendly neighborhood cops" in to days society, it's very sad but true. I believe there is a tri-fold reason for this:

1. Most cops were picked on in school
2. money hungry government(revenue)
3. a populace full if dis-respectful teenagers and pot heads, that only listen when the harsher consequences are applied

There you have it, Hoss's three step out line of why cops of today are dicks :banned:

[ktmbk]

That sucks,
If you weren't breaking the law you shouldn't be charged with anything. See what the tickets are then fight them if they are bs. It's odd that they were not issued when the bike was impounded. Unfortunately you will probably get the usual unregistered - uninsured vehicle stuff that you can't argue with.
I wouldn't mind looking at the bike if you were selling it, but I would have to take a 2-3 hour test drive on it to make sure it was right for me:lol:. Actually I wouldn't sell it yet if I were you, see what happens first, besides selling it means they won.
sorry to hear about the dog.

[leviblue]

That sucks,
If you weren't breaking the law you shouldn't be charged with anything. See what the tickets are then fight them if they are bs. It's odd that they were not issued when the bike was impounded. Unfortunately you will probably get the usual unregistered - uninsured vehicle stuff that you can't argue with.
I wouldn't mind looking at the bike if you were selling it, but I would have to take a 2-3 hour test drive on it to make sure it was right for me:lol:. Actually I wouldn't sell it yet if I were you, see what happens first, besides selling it means they won.
sorry to hear about the dog.
Just gotta wait for the mail and see. YES their gonna mail them to me. As for selling the stock R no biggie I have 4 more to play with. I though about selling the one that got impounded but I wouldn't get what I have into it so see ya STOCKER. I just want the cops to know I see their point and if it looks to them like selling the R will prove their point then so be it.
And thanks everyone for the sorrows for the dog. My boy was with me 18 plus years and was with me 24/7. Many have met the boy at Summit and he loved that place. The ladies at the gate would take him in the office with them to hang out and wait for daddy. I have no kids and he was truley a son/best friend to me. I think everyone should own or be owned by a Chesapeake Bay Retreiver if given the chance.

[Dirtcrasher]

Very sorry to hear about your pet, I have a hard time with pet death because they are so loyal and don't harm anyone.

I'd never get a lawyer, it would be 2000$ down the tubes and they drag it out to charge you more hourly.

Because no one saw you riding on that property, they really had no business arresting you and it could be won in court, or they could just lie. Depends on your record in the past also.

Like you said though, if fighting a couple tickets and possibly even losing creates a bigger problem for you (according to the cop neighbor), I wouldn't fight it either. Once you disrespect or piss off a cop, then they remember you and your riding on thin ice.......

Come this May, ALL dirtbikes, ATV,C's MUST BE REGISTERED (In MASS) if on any land other than your own; You cannot even ride it across the street.

They are making it harder and harder to enjoy anything. My Dad (71yo) says the day he can't "play hockey and get la.." he has nothing to live for. I feel the same way except for me it's "riding trikes and getting la.." :lol:

Best of luck bud! You didn't deserve to take the fall!

[beets442]

You need to talk to the neighbor and let him know what happened, have him call the police and drop the charges. If you have too take pics of your tires and the tracks that are out there to show the diff....Beets

[Dirtcrasher]

^ In my Town, once it's in the computer the best they can do is ask the cop not to show up, but the DA can still press for the fine.

I can't understand why there isn't an automatic appearance in district court when arrested, rather a ticket?

Whats the point of arresting a guy if you don't force him to bail out and show up in court? Couldn't they have written the tickets right then and there when they approached you?

Around here, you sneeze wrong and your in court......

[NESC104]

Not all COPS are dicks... But I know for a fact alot of people get a "break" (verbal warning) from the police and then don't learn their lessen and do the same crap again. I don't think cops get bored and decide to bust balls either there is a lot more enjoyable things they can be doing than busting a kid on an ATV. Most cops don't care about ATVs unless they get called over for a complaint, then they have to do their job.

In my town we have a town ordinance against ATVs, etc. YOU CAN GET A $100 FINE EVEN ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY AND YOU DONT HAVE TO BE RIDING IT, IT JUST HAS TO BE RUNNING. IT THEN GETS TOWED $85-100, $25 A DAY STORAGE UNTIL YOUR COURT APPEARANCE USUALLY 30 DAYS LATER....subsequent offenses are $200,$300 etc. For some reason the town council doesn't want ATVs in my town. I think it originally stemed from people riding on the road due to no state/public riding areas.

[whyzee]

Well I just got back from the police station and impound. $153.50 for the impound. I know the tow yard so I wasn't charged for the tow. It seems the township gets $153.50 on every impound thats theirs to keep. As for fighting it I'm just gonna see what the tickets are. My neighbor is a cop and started laying into me about all the calls they get from the storage units and that I should just eat it or they'll be over everytime I start a bike in the yard.He said next time no title no insurance no bike .They will take it for being an unregistered atv. Keep in mind I have to cross the street to ride and I was told even pushing it across is against the law. Once it hits public property, the street, runing or not I'll get a ticket. I was also told a fence is a good idea and not to tell the kids I'm putting one up. If I do that there might be no charges but I'll get still get a few fines for the trouble of them comming out. My lawyer say's to just wait and see but if I just get the fines I'd be lucky and not to fight it cuz they'll be there everytime someone cuts through. Trust me if it was the other township on the otherside of the property I wouldn't be here. I ride with those cops. It's just my township is money hungry and will screw with you. Get in your car and run to Quickie Mart and they'll pull you over just cuz they can. You can't do anything because it's your word against the police. Now if your a judge who are you gonna believe?? It's just not worth the trouble.
I now have a stock 85R for sale to cover the fines and to let the cops think they've won.

its funny, i still have the title to that R

[tecat-z]

NESC104.. I don't know where you live? But there is no way anyone is going to arrest me, tow, confiscate, etc, anything on MY property when it's not being ridden. I'm well aware that our country in general is falling apart, and some areas faster than others. But man to this extreme!!!

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Unbelievable! Lawyer up and fight it! I cant understand how they (the cops) could impound your trike without witnessing you doing anything illegal with it or even riding it for that matter.....Something there seems waaaaaayy wrong. So what now, they going to come take your trike and arrest you ANY time somebody other than you is seen spotted riding a wheeler in that town? And then, if someone wants to be a dirtbag, all they have to do is call the PD and report someone for tresspassing on an ATV and they will be arrested on the spot? See the slippery slope im getting at? I dont see how the owner of the storage units, or the PD has a leg to stand on against you. In fact, i would push for disciplinary action against the officers who wrongfully arrested you, and as other said, sue the owner of the storage units for filing a false complaint and to cover your expenses through all this BS! This is the biggest load of crap ive heard of in a long time....

[NESC104]

I'm sorry that this happened to you. It doesn't make sense that you were arrested for trespassing. But I would say that if you were on your own property then you should fight it in court. The cops need to have some form of evidence to charge you, it might even be a written statement from the neighbor saying he saw you on his own property. Maybe he lied to the cops, all the more reason to fight it. He could get charged with a filing a false police report. As for the cops getting in trouble for making a false arrest, probably not going to happen, most states have laws to protect them, as in RI's law "Resisting legal or illegal arrest"... Unfortunately fighting charges or lawsuits cost money, even if your wrongfully accussed or charged.

WHILE were on the subject of cops though....the worst thing that you could do on an ATV is run from them. MOST of the time, if you stop they will let you go after they give you a "lecture". Some do pay attention to your ATV... and will obviously recognize your 3wheeler next time your out .... lol

tecate-z I'm in rhode island

[cr480r]

WHILE were on the subject of cops though....the worst thing that you could do on an ATV is run from them. MOST of the time, if you stop they will let you go after they give you a "lecture". Some do pay attention to your ATV... and will obviously recognize your 3wheeler next time your out .... lol


NESC104.. .Are you a cop?

[NESC104]

no. but my brother is and I do have several friends that are

[fabiodriven]

I have stopped for cops before and regretted it. More often then not, they are fine if you do stop for them. All it took was this one cop when I was a kid that had a hard-on for me and now I usually run if I know I can get away. But I digress... We're getting a little off topic here.

As I said before, IF you were in fact on your own property then you should fight it for sure. I'm not sure if they can actually bag you or not for pushing your trike down the road, but that sounds like total bullocks to me.

[Mr_RPM]

all of my experiences with cops they have always been cool, on or off an atv. i have recently been in trouble and was not given any kind of break but i still feel they were nice and were just doing their job. Its who writes the laws and all the complex mumbo jumbo i hate.

lets just say im close to 3 grand in the hole mainly for alot of silly fines and fees they can sneak in.
I am fine with paying most things as i did do something wrong and i deserve it, but some of it makes me terribly mad. Makes me wanna just leave, idk where but leave.

The law is a sneaky bass tard who will do whatever kind of law bending they need to in order to get some $$$$$$$ from ya.

[leviblue]

My father was a sheriff, the good ol'boy kind.My little brother will join the the sheriff's or state police in Georgia when he gets back form the never ending war. There's probley a dozen or so members of my faimly that are officers. My best freind and ridding buddy is a state trooper and his property backs up to ours. I ride with quite a few cops so theres no hatered here. All cops are not bad but here in Jersey they train them in the county/state jail system. Which is kinda bad cuz they have no people skills and tend to think everyone is guilty of something. Alot of the old timers know this and don't like it and would rather have guys that came out of the military, no jailhouse training for them. And yes some of the younger ones even a few that I went to school with are dicks.They were the nosselnut volenteer fire kids that got picked on. They do not let you forget it. My problem is the cop that lives 2 houses from me. Even most of the dept dosen't like him. The guy moved in 6 years ago and the neighborhood has not been the same.It's ok if his kid rides that dune buggy down the street and hits a car. IT HAPPENED but he screams at everyone else. I'm waiting for my cameras to get him on tape. But who am I to complain when the odds of him getting fired are zero. As my uncle said, the old cheif of police " We're just waiting for a major screwup to get the union off or backs and fire him.
Jersey is a whole nother world. They have a job to do and I'm too old to argue with them. I'm looking at this as how cheap I can get out of this and not drag it out. Even though my lawyer is my sister she'll still charge me some coin for her troubles. NO FREEBEES HERE.
It's a he said I said deal and I know the kids are ripping his retaining pond up. Heck it looks like a bullring for micro-sprints. If to get it to stop is busting my balls then there's nothing I can do.
Yes if they think you commited a crime with the bike they have the right to come take the bike if it's in their view. If I had it in the barn behind closed doors it wouuld of been a talking to but seeing the trike in the open gave them the right. I don't run from cops cuz there's not too many people with a jazzed out R that has a #13 on the front of it. Then they could pull me over if I had it on the trailer driving down the street. We tend to cover our #'s when riding just incase.I have seen them pull people over driving away from Tri-Boro just from their #plate.
If it comes down to shelling out 5 or 6 hundred to going to court and getting reamed out by the township and my sister I'll choose the 1st. Way less aggravation. I'd like to open another shop and put it in my town and I don't want the cops in there hitting me or my guys up for free tattoos. I'd rather wait and make them pay in cash and pain. And ofcourse I'll hide my name in whatever I do on them. My way of pay back.

[whipit]

welcome to nazi germany. to those who say our government is not out of control, just spend a few hours looking at various web forums, this type of thing is happening to people all over the place in liberal left wing dominated states. You should move to the south, you can ride all ya want and people will leave you alone... heck, in NC they dont even register dirtbikes or ATV;s... there is no such thing as an ATV title.

I was completely boned in a similar way by the new york state police a year before I moved out of that sorry bankrupt hellhole... they are the modern gestapo and the governments up there are all about stealing money from the poor ba$tards that live there.... cigarrets @ $10.50 a pack? look no further

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I just want to make it clear that in no way am i a Cop hater. I have family in law enforcement and those folks have a tough job dealing with society's worst. But in this case, it really sounds like they were over-reaching in an attempt to make an example out of you. The thing is, even if they are trying to get the real tresspassers to stop riding on private property, do they really think those other hoodlums will stop just because they are bending you over a barrel without vaseline? There is such a thing as police over stepping their bounds, it happens every day. And when its proven, cops who do things like this are subject to disciplinary action. Its called wrongfull arrest and harrassment. If everything happened as you stated it did, (and i believe you) then this is in clear violation of innocent till proven guilty! How can it be that they are putting you in a position of having to prove your innocence in order to clear all this up? It is for the accuser/prosecutor to prove your guilt! Like i said before, this opens a door to a slippery slope of people being falsely accused and found guilty at the drop of a hat for whatever reason someone might want to cause you to have a bad day.

I understand your wanting to remedy this as cheaply as possible. But, the fact is now you have an arrest on your record, and thats not something i would put up with having on my record wrongfully as it is in your case.

Sorry you lost your old pal too...:( just realized i forgot to convey my condolences in my first post...

[leviblue]

ride red 250r I gotta tell ya do you know how hard it is to get the police to admit they did something wrong? My township is in quite a few lawsuits. Even with video evidence showing them in the wrong they will drag it out to make you pay. We just had major screw-up caught on tape and 30 wittiness and the police union is standing by the officer. This officer has had MANY complaints over his 4 year career Even though the the news channel's ran it the cops see no wrong. How to you tell someone in power they did wrong? Cuz in this day and age in America no one in power admits to doing wrong. Remember they think they are in a brotherhood and won't back down till you just quit and go away. Thank the UNION for this. Heck look at Philly this year where more than 30 cops have been busted for ripping off dealers then selling to other dealers. One whole dept is under investigation and their still on the job. How does one not know what the other is doing? How does one of them not stand up and say this is wrong?? Cuz they are cops and they know what they can get away with doing. Now a days with younger officers it's about their clicks and showing how much power they hold over the average Joe.
Once the ticket/charges are filed then you have a DA who will stop at nothing to get their way. TRUST ME. My ex picked up my pain meds for me at the RX and was pulled over in my VW Bus. They just saw her leave WalGreens. 4 blocks from home. They took the scripts and charged her cuz they were not in her name. I had just gotten out of the hosptial for chemo the day before and was in no condition to leave the house. I was told too bad I should of went. REALLY!!! In court even with thu U of Penn doctors there the DA pushed for the max 1yr and 5 probation. The judge was at a loss and I could see him thinking about sticking her. He said if it happens again she'd be locked up. I have never taken pain meds sence no matter how bad it gets. I don't want to take the chance of this happining again. So my health suffers for those who want to show their power and admit they did no wrong.

[Mosh]

Sounds like it is time to pack up and leave "Hazard County".
Seriously, I have been in NJ many times..I have no use for the place. No offense to you guys that call it home.
If stuff is that crooked, I would be gone.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

WOW! It sounds like your town is full of runamuck elected officials! The deal about your wife picking up your prescriptions, crazy. I feel for you living in a situation like that.....Its hard to believe this is a town in AMERICA we are discussing here......Best of luck in trying to clear your name.


Be sure and get active in your local politcs and get those corrupt SOB's voted out of office next election! Maybe even run for a position on your town council or something yourself. We need more "citizen politicians" in this country who know what the real world is about...as it was intended.

[Dirtcrasher]

If video is in your favor, it's lost.

If video is in the police's favor, it's all there.

I've been arrested 4 times in 30 years. 1 was a dirtbike on the road offense when I was 16yo. Everything else a misdemeanor.

One of my best pals is a straight shooter State cop. He caught a girl with heroin, all strung out leaving a drug house, took her drugs and told her to get the F out of there. He told me he knew she'd be back the next day and he didn't want to risk placing an infected person in his police car; Only to have a judge let her go.

What INFURIATES me is that when I have been arrested, 50% of the police report is a lie, incompleted or exaggerated.

So, those cops, I wish nothing but the worst for.

However, I have dealt with other fair officers and I got what I deserved. Others are my friends and doing there job, following the law but using there own judgement....... I am never disrespectful because lets face it, piss someone off on a message board - no repercussions, disrespect the law or a judge and you will get it back 10X. I try to tell this to all the young kids who live near me and think it's funny stealingg cars, burning them or breaking into a house and stealing copper. THATS cut and dry and they deserve what they get!

EVERYTHING should be taped both audio and video and if that evidence suddenly disappears then all charges should be dropped.

[Chazz of Blades]

I ride with the local game warden, and most of the local cops, all 3 of them. I got stopped on my road by one of the loca police officers while I was on my 200es, turns out he saw it and wanted to hire me to help put up a few fences.

Imagine that.

Thank god for small town Alabama.

[leviblue]

The big thing for cops in my county to do is to sit at drugstores and see who comes out. They'll walk in plainclothes and see the customers then radio to a unit outside to watch for so and so. If you come out and get into an older car/truck/van or look like you might be an addict they'll pull you over for BS just to get your reaction. Give them the wrong one and out of the car you go and into theirs. That gives them the right to search. If you have a class A drug it better be you on the script. With 10 drugstores in our 4sq mile town it's easy pickins and not a tough job to do. But try to get them to go into the apt/sec8 projects and clean them up and they'll tell ya it's the owners problem. Meanwhile the open air drug trade thrives down the street from me.
I will say nothing pisses-off a bad cop like being as nice and calm to them. They hate it

[hang&rattle]

I beat the crooked, evil, lying, department of family services in MT. It cost me $11,000.00, and they even brought up false documentation, and charges. Luckily my sister was a social worker and I documented all the broken rules, laws, lies and documentation they illegally tried to sneak to the judge. The judge caught it (we proved it), and every social worker in the department was fired, the county D.A. was made to look like and idiot, and I was given custody of my kids, which is unheard of in MT. You must fight this, as a human being.

[mrmello]

I got my own little cop story to share. As levi said its getting the cops to admit to them being wrong.

I had just bought my trike a couple of weeks before this happened. I was riding all the time so I just left it in the back of my truck. Well one saturday night there was a party down the street from me. Around 3 am I was asleep on the couch and heard a bang. My dog went nuts and started barking. This made my wife who was still up look outside and ask me what I was towing behind the truck. I jump up knowing full well the only trailer I have is a camper. Well my trike is half out of my truck. I run out and my wife calls the cops. So they take my tailgate for fingerprints etc.

Go to work monday and the guy I work with was at the party and he tells me who it was that did it. I wait for the cops to do their detective work and they come up with nothing. I tell them who it was and they call him in for questioning. He admits to it and because his daddy is a town conucil member he gets off with saying I'm sorry. I get my tailgate back.

the next day I go and wash my truck and be damned if my tailgate isnt f'ed up. I mean scratched right down to bare metal. Over 700 bucks damage to it. So I call the cops and tell them. They try to say it was there when they took it. Luckily I have pictures of the night to prove otherwise.

Here we are 4 months later though and I still haven't gotten it fixed because they are dragging their heels on it. About ready to take them to court soon if it keeps on dragging.

Bottom line is its tough to fight cops on anything. Sucks that you have to go through this levi, and really sad to hear about your dog. Looks like you have the right idea about all of this though. Do it however causes you the less grief at this point.

[whyzee]

I beat the crooked, evil, lying, department of family services in MT. It cost me $11,000.00, and they even brought up false documentation, and charges. Luckily my sister was a social worker and I documented all the broken rules, laws, lies and documentation they illegally tried to sneak to the judge. The judge caught it (we proved it), and every social worker in the department was fired, the county D.A. was made to look like and idiot, and I was given custody of my kids, which is unheard of in MT. You must fight this, as a human being.

wow. you are quite a dad !

[Jason125m]

wow, sorry to hear that. A few years ago i was driving my 1992 suzuki sidekick ( bush truck ) through our 50 acres we own, and up and down the road messing around, soon enough the cops come. Little did they know i own all that forest aswell as the road that i was driving on, The cops didnt belive me ask to see liscense, registration, insurance. I was like, this is private property gtf off my property, you guys cant come in here, Oh, and did i mention i had 4 people in it, and we were drinking a beer, just cruising having fun, it takes me roughly an hour to get documents together, etc saying that i owned the property... Damn aholes

[paul kondratiuk]

i can honestly say im happy i left jersey. grew up in bayonne and lived in sussex.now im in pa and can ride my big red where ever i like. i dont miss the cops busting balls in jersey,whether we were down the pine barrons or in stokes forrest. sorry to hear abot a hole cops busting trailprotrailpro balls though.

[leviblue]

I just receved 4 tickets in the mail. they are for unregstered, uninsured, not having my ID, and tresspass. the 1st 3 add up to alittle over $500. I don't know about the other. So far thats 1 hour of my sisters time and from what I was told yesterday by the police they are not gonna drop anything.

[TheRealFatShady]

Sue them in a civil court case for $20.01 for 'acts of domestic terrorism' and request a jury trial....it's your 7th amendment right.

That will get their attention REAL trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro fast.

[ktmbk]

The first two tickets may be a lost cause, maybe you can plea them down with the DA. Around here if you get an ID ticket it's thrown out if you can show that you do have an official form of Id to the courts. As for the trespassing ticket If your family owns the land, find out who's name is on the deed and get them to write a letter that gives you permission for use and specifically to ride on the land. This should give you the ability to have that ticket dismissed, also this may open the door to a possible dismissal of the unregistered and uninsured tickets also (this depends on the local laws, most places do not require you to register and insure a vehicle only used on private property - think farms). Now as the saying goes, I'm not the lawyer, but I watched someone play one on tv. I also don't know specific laws of where you live, however I have found a little research into the law can help a lot. Knowledge is power and so on.

By the way are you going to get a new pup?

oh yea, Hang and Rattle - congrats - There is certainly a need for the department of family services, but it's a broken system, and needs to be fixed, you made it one step closer to this. I'm glad you won your injustice.

[atctim]

Not sure about NJ laws - but here in PA if it is a "race only" machine - you don;t need registration or insurance.

[Bretmd94]

you need a lawyer bro.

[Stonecoldchavez]

Levi-

I am confused by the "cop and started laying into me about all the calls they get from the storage units ". I have ridden with you before. They are storage units for christ sake. The units are on the other side of your property. What if you wanted to put up a ten foot wall to block the noise?

What are the fines? Noise? You are on YOUR property. I would fight the fines.

Also, ask the cop how you are supposed to get insurance when these bikes have no titles? No insurance=no registration. No registration without lights, turnsignals, etc.

He cannot take the bike. You are riding your bike on your property; you did not need to have it registered. Ask him to show you the Title 39 code showing you do. He can't.