ESR 350 Build Complete!!!! (Pics on pge 3) UPDATE: vid on pge 6!

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I just about have enough saved to place my order with ESR for a 350 cyl kit, reedblock and full exhaust for my R.

One quick question: Would there be any performance or hook-up issues with running my FMF Powercore silencer with the ESR ATC5 pipe? Or should I just go with the ESR silencer? If I can save that few dollars I could be placing my order tomorrow! :naughty: I know it's only $140 but I have been waiting quite a while and I'm getting really antsie! Push come to shove I'm sure I can get the silencer before next riding season though. I'm just REALLY pumped to do this build! This will be my first big-bore and I'm stoked to go out and spank some 450's next summer! :twisted:

[audioworks04]

I would ask esr when you place your order and see if you need a big bore silencer. I doubt that you will see a noticeable difference between the two small bore silences, the esr will be a little louder, but IMHO looks better.

[Saleenster]

I'm stoked to go out and spank some 450's next summer! :twisted:

Lol....Have fun with it. Small bore should be fine for that cylinder. Stock stroke or ?

[pantera1975]

Are you sending your bottom end out to esr or someone to have the cases machined and spec out the cylinder or yo tackling it yourself? 350 gona have alot of power! My 330 is shipping today from BDT cant wait.

[rjs89ia]

As far as i know i thought esr changed all there atc5's to centermounts, not completely sure about that just know you would have to do some cutting on your silencer to make it fit. I would suggest getting the full exhaust ive got the curved atc5 pipe on my R with an esr silencer and it performs pretty well plus i took the extra time to polish the silencer to a mirror shine. I also would go full o-ring on both the exhaust flange and silencer.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Thanks for the replies fellas! Just got off the phone with Tom at ESR. He put together a helluva deal for me! :w00t: Getting the 350 cyl kit, reedblock, ATC5 pipe, and silencer for $1192 plus shipping. They are doing my case boring for free! :) I have to say, so far ESR is top notch. Still suprised at the deal Tom put together for me. If I were just to order everything straight up online it would be $1436 PLUS shipping and PLUS case boring. Really happy so far. :D

Yes, the ATC5 pipes are still available. He kind of wanted to sell me on the centermount setup, but I told him living and riding in northern NYS does sometimes get a little muddy. So I opted to keep my airbox and go with the standard exhaust. He agreed.

And I am already running the ESR billet exhaust flange and o-ringed silencer coupler. But I'm guessing the ESR exhaust system will come with the coupler?? I think the coupler I have is for the full FMF setup I am currently running.

It will be stock stroke. 350 is the biggest you can get without getting a stroker crank.

Now it's time to go pull the engine out of "Precious"...yeah, that's her name.... Depending on my work schedule, I should be shipping my case halves out in a week or two. Once they get my cases and get the machining done they will send it back along with all the goodies! :Bounce:w00t:

I'm so excited about this! This is uncharted territory for me. I have never done a big bore mod setup before. Gonna be torture waiting till winter is over to ride it!

I'm gonna have to see if the Billy will change my username to RIDE-RED 350r! LOL!

I'll update this thread with pics here and there if anybody is interested.

[audioworks04]

Awsome bud, are you just leaving their cast porting, or having them do some kind of port work? I highly recommend doing something like a 7 or 9 port work it will make a world of difference over their casting.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Awsome bud, are you just leaving their cast porting, or having them do some kind of port work? I highly recommend doing something like a 7 or 9 port work it will make a world of difference over their casting.

Oh yes! I'm getting the TRX9 port job done.....

When I ride my R, I'm mainly bombing seasonal roads. It's alot of fun hammering down the straights and getting sideways on the turns. Nice, wide gravel roads. I also do some informal, recreational drag racing. I plan to add a +4 swingarm to finish this build. But the swinger will have to wait just a little while....

[RIDE-RED 250r]

So it starts.... :)

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq133/02800adrenaline/PC060050.jpg

So long stock topend! It's been fun...You will come in handy for my near stock pump gas burner that's next in line to be built...
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq133/02800adrenaline/PC060051.jpg

What have I done??!!
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq133/02800adrenaline/PC060052.jpg

Now off to my brother's house to tear down the engine. He built/restored this trike as it is now and did a darn good job at it. We are going to have a good time in his garage enjoying coffee, cigars and maybe even a couple of brews while we tackle this little project of mine... :)
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq133/02800adrenaline/PC060053.jpg

Depending on my work schedule I should have my case halves boxed up and on their merry way to California for some quality time with Eddie Sanders! :w00t::beer

More pics to follow. If this is a bore to anybody, please let me know and I won't waste bandwidth. Maybe it's just me, but I'm excited to share this with my triker buds! :beer

[Mr. Clean]

More pics to follow. If this is a bore to anybody, please let me know and I won't waste bandwidth. .

Not boring to this triker!!! This is Mr. Clean looking at -----------------> :pics:

[dcreel]

Bring on the pics... Can't wait to follow along..

[ceaserthethird]

Did they give you a ruff idea how long it would take to bore and ship your items out? ? ? Let us know when things start to go wrong with ESR, I hope they don't but if they do keep us informed.

[dcreel]

Did they give you a ruff idea how long it would take to bore and ship your items out? ? ? Let us know when things start to go wrong with ESR, I hope they don't but if they do keep us informed.

There's a vote of confidence.. :lol:

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Will keep the thread updated.....

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Well, my brother and I got the engine disassembled today. Just need to clean up the case halves and ship em.

I'm considering getting my crank rebuilt while I'm at it. Lower rod bearing feels and looks good but I'm thinking about getting it done just because....

Anyone have any feelings for or against getting the crank rebuilt? It'll be another $165...... Worthwhile or am I going overboard?

[ceaserthethird]

Get it done, big bore more stress on parts.

[pantera1975]

Have your counter balancer and water pump done too. My feelings and experience with esr is tom will tell you that everything last for ever and no one replaces anything in there tranny or water pump or CB bearings and he has never herd of this or that about anything else. They only like to do crank rebuilding and selling parts. They dont offer powder coat or nothing. And the chrome or nickle fell off my pipe in a 1/2 hr of use. Go on trx250r.net Them guys on there really mess with there motors and its all 250R too. I think I PM'ed awhile back? I know with my deal it was janssens motorsports and ers made me the messenger and I got caught in the middle of it. But alot of people have had good luck with them.People have problems with duncan racing and CT too and some dont. Unfortunately having motor work done is almost always hit and miss. Im sure alot of people could chime in and vouch for that with having the car motors machined on or rebuilt for a cruzer car. Dishonest people suck. My 330is on its way from BDT now and I pray that its gonna be all good it cost alot.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Already have the billet counterbalancer carrier and new counterbalancer bearings about 25 engine hours ago. Everything is still good and tight... As a matter of fact, every bearing in that bottom end was changed at that time including crank and all transmission bearings....except for the lower rod bearing.

So Pantera, you are saying ESR outsourced some of your work to Janssens Motorsports and you had some issues with the service at Janssens?? I don't want to get into too much public bashing about companies here. That is not my intent of this thread. If you want to give me some details on your bad experience send me a PM...

I do remember you PMing me a while back. I just plain forgot to check out that other site. Who/what is BDT?

Nevermind, I just found your PM and my questions are answered......

[pantera1975]

Jannsens is a local shop that said they wanted to do the motor. I got the new cyl from esr, and crank and they took it apart and put it back together. They are too caught up in racing I think. Spending racing isnt gonna pay the bills forever if your team dont do good.

[Saleenster]

It will be stock stroke. 350 is the biggest you can get without getting a stroker crank.

For ESR, but you can go much bigger on stock stroke.

[R-tifacts]

What carb are you using?

[deathman53]

request that the spark plug is angled like stock. Most of the aftermarket heads, the spark plug comes straight up w/o angle, it hits the frame. Especially on 85 frames. I had to grind the frame tube, so the plug would fit in, even then, it was very hard to change the plug w/o removing the gas tank.

[max]

request that the spark plug is angled like stock. Most of the aftermarket heads, the spark plug comes straight up w/o angle, it hits the frame. Especially on 85 frames. I had to grind the frame tube, so the plug would fit in, even then, it was very hard to change the plug w/o removing the gas tank.

Or you have to buy the 15 dollar shorty style plugs which starts to get expensive if your messing with jetting and dialing. Great point here deathman

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Saleenster: Interesting....I thought the 370 was the point one had to start strokin the crank... < (EGAD that didn't sound right! LOL!)

R-tifacts: Currently running the Keihin 38mm PWK (ESR Airstryker)

Deathman: Thanks for the advice on that! I will certainly see if they can set the head up for the angled plug.

Max: Yes, $15 a pop for plugs is a little more than I want to spend on plugs.

Thanks for the help guys!

[pantera1975]

In my 86 frame the br9es cleared fine and as long as you don't use the hard plastic NGK style cap it fits. IDK on a 85 like mentioned above. That would suck. aren't all the BB cylinders the same on the out side just bigger sleeves?

[Saleenster]

Saleenster: Interesting....I thought the 370 was the point one had to start strokin the crank

You can run a stock stroke Puma, Saber, Rotax, etc. These are all 400+ cc combinations in their larger bore

[RIDE-RED 250r]

You can run a stock stroke Puma, Saber, Rotax, etc. These are all 400+ cc combinations in their larger bore

Holy smokes! :D

I did manage to find CP Industries site last night and I was flabbergasted by the displacement you could get with them from the Puma's and Sabertooth's! Crazy thing is, I only live about 45 miles from one of their dealers here in NY (D@D Powersports, Lowville, NY). Couldn't find any pricing on them though. I suspect they are quite a bit more spendy than what I'm currently looking into. And my build budget is about maxed out as-is..... I'm no duner, so I think the ESR setup will lay my hair back pretty good for what I do... It IS quite interesting though, finding out that there are quite a few other builders out there still making big bores for our old pingers. Before I really started looking seriously into this I kind of thought there were only a handful left.... Thumpers.... Ba! (no offence 350x-er's) :beer

[pantera1975]

Give Carols a call at BDT motorsports

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Well, I have come to a decision and sent my case halves out... Shipped today.

Many thanks to all who offered advice on this build! Very much appreciated! :beer

Next update to this thread will likely contain pics of the new friends that follow my case halves back home! Hee hee!

I'm going to strip and polish my stator cover and clutch cover. Might have pics of progress on those before my parts come in.... Stay tuned! :)

[RIDE-RED 250r]

While I am waiting on my cases and it's new friends to come from ESR, I started to do a little puttering. I have decided to go with black center cases, polished clutch and stator covers, bare ESR cyl, and the blue head. So, I stripped the stator and clutch covers and started to work on them with some Mothers Mag polish and a Powerball..... I hear tell that Mothers Billet Polish really brings a shine on after the regular Mag Polish reaches it's limits. Going to see if I can get my mitts on that Billet Polish.

Whatya think so far?

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Just got a call from ESR... Goodies ship to me tomorrow!! Can't wait!

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Well, Santa brought my ESR order today.... Oddly enough Santa was dressed in brown and drove a big goofy looking brown truck instead of the sleigh.. ;)

Got started with the first coat of black paint on my center cases and cylinder. Got the blue race fuel head and blue reedblock. Kinda going for the semi-stock '85 sleeper look. I think it's going to look great. Have to get another coat or 2 of paint on everything. Have a busy weekend so plans are to use my holiday and take monday off and going to my brother's place to put the big wing-dinger together over some coffee and stogies. I'll get some pics at various stages of assembly and post em up. But for now here is what I have....

[pantera1975]

Your gona run race fuel in it all the time on the trails? or dont you venture that far out on a ride? Did the ups whip your package over the fence and run or set it down nice. Been alot of talk on irresponsible behavior with delivery drivers. That things gona have some power.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Yes, I will be running 110 in it all the time. I have been anyway so I'm used to it. I don't really ride it out in the back forty, mainly go to Tug Hill where there are miles and miles of seasonal highways (gravel) that are open to ATVs. Lots of long straights, sweeping turns. Plus here in NY all pump gas has ethanol in it and I don't want that headache with my baby.

Can't wait to see what the big HP runs like up there! As far as fuel capacity, I have the PRM 6-pack rack. I know it looks kinda goofy, but it's EXTREMELY handy being able to carry 2 extra gallons of fuel with me. Now, my stock engine was stock porting, punched out .060, CR head gasket, 1Dir Racing reeds and reedcage, full FMF exhaust and 38mm Airstryker carb. I could get about 120 miles or so out af a full tank on the trike and the 2 extra gallons depending how hard I'm riding. Going to be interesting to see what the fuel consumption difference is with the 3-5-OH!

In reality, this is a fair weather rider. I want to keep it nice. When I feel like taking a slow paced ride with the kids I ride my old Quadsport. And that's what I ride around the house. About the only time I ride my R in my yard is to get it warmed up and dried out after washing it...I just don't have the room to let her run.

As to the UPS guy, I wasn't yet home from work when it was delivered. My wife sells Gold Canyon candles and gets candles delivered all the time and doesn't have many problems... And that's glass! Our UPS guy is pretty good.

[pantera1975]

I got 25 mpg with my 2 R's too with pipes and 38mm a/s. We got 10% ethanol here but in the 91 octane theres none. I have to check for sure. And jet accordingly

[RIDE-RED 250r]

You are lucky you can avoid the "Deathanol" (as I like to call it), simply by buying higher octane pump gas. Here in NY, ALL pump gas has it, even the 93......Bout the only place you can buy ethanol free gasoline in NY is at marinas. And for what they charge per gallon I might as well just run 110. It ends up being about 3-4 bucks more a gallon. But I only go through about 15 gallons a season on my R anyway. So, it's kind of inconsequential...

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Been doing a little painting. Going for the semi-'85 color scheme..Picture semi-polished stator and clutch covers. Kind of a sleeper to the untrained 450 rider's eye! :naughty:

Still needs about 2 more coats. Just taking my time with it, I want it to come out looking good.. Whatya think?

I'm not really gifted with the camera. One pic is with the flash, the other isn't...

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Better pic.... I think

You guys will probably break my chops for brush painting, but I had real good results with the same method with a good, fine brush on a sled motor head.

[whyzee]

Nice ! Looking forward to seeing it put together.
are you getting a stainless bolt kit for it?
That is a serious paint job. What kind of paint is it?

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Already have the stainless bolt kit. ;) I have painted the stator cover and clutch cover bolts black. I think it will look darn spiffy as they contrast with the polished covers.

As far as the paint, it's just regular oil based Rustoleum gloss black, a 5/16 fine bristle modeling brush and alot of patience. Just finished the 3rd coat on the cylinder. Looks like it's going to take 1 more due to the texture of the cast. Still have a wee bit of the texture showing through. It's curing by the woodstove right now and should be dry enough for another coat in an hour or 2.

Going to take everything up to my brother's place monday to put it all together. Would be doing it today, but his work schedule with the Air Force has him working this weekend.....Going to take a bunch of pics as we get it together monday. I plan on having the whole thing back together and first fire-up complete that day. :Bounce

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Well, 4th coat of paint is applied and cured on the cylinder and it turned out great! :)

2nd coat on the cases and I think I'll do one more tomorrow. The cyl seemed to need a little more as it has a rough, cast texture to it. I'll see if I can get my wife help me get some quality pics and post em up tomorrow.... I'm about as handy as a solar powered flashlight when it comes to using a fancy digital camera! LOL!

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Well, I just got home from putting my R together at my brother's place! All I can say is WOW! Had alot of fun doing this build, and boy o man does she sound waaaay different than the old stock setup. That thang GROWLS!!! :twisted: Unfortunately, I couldn't ride it since we now have snow in my neck of the woods. Just fired it up and ran it for about 3 or 4 minutes to check for leaks and whatnot. Gonna be a long winter!

Will be posting a bunch of pics, and if I can figure it out a little vid of the first startup.... Stand by :)

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Here's a link to the vid showing first start up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30siEy0N2UI&feature=youtu.be

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Pics....
Showing my R all ready and waiting for the engine, bottom end together...

[torque]

nice build. but snow never stopped me from riding. just that much more fun.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Second pic is my cousin Tim on the left cleaning the chassis, my brother Moose on the right working on the clutch cover. 4th pic is me just after getting the cylinder installed...

[RIDE-RED 250r]

nice build. but snow never stopped me from riding. just that much more fun.

I hear ya. But I have a couple of Ski-Doos that I think are alot more fun on the snow. Plus snowy slippery conditions aren't very conducive to breaking in a new engine properly....

Thanks for the compliment! :beer

[torque]

I hear ya. But I have a couple of Ski-Doos that I think are alot more fun on the snow. Plus snowy slippery conditions aren't very conducive to breaking in a new engine properly....

Thanks for the compliment! :beer

did not mean to bust your chops bro. again awesome build post some ride vids when the snow melts.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

First pic is me on the left, brother Josh in the center (he is the one who fixed the old girl up initially and I bought it from him) and cousin Tim on the right....

Thanks to Josh for his help and use of his garage. I really didn't have the room in my little 1-bay garage to do this project comfortably. Thanks to Moose and Tim for all the help too. Had alot of fun doing this build.

And thanks to the members here who took the time to give me their advice and experience when I was in the decision making process for this build. You all know who you are and I really appreciate it! :beer:D;)

[RIDE-RED 250r]

did not mean to bust your chops bro. again awesome build post some ride vids when the snow melts.

Oh no problem at all.. I didn't take it that way. :)

As to the ride vides, unfortunately I don't have a helmet cam... But I'm sure I can get someone to record some friendly drag racing between me and my other cousin with my wifes camera next season. :)

[pantera1975]

Looks good!! My 330 really has some snort I pry should have got a 350 too

[whyzee]

Awesome build! Sounds awesome. Your making me want an R again .
How much snow did you guys get today?

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Thanks Jeff. I can't imagine the difference between the 330 and 350 being too drastic. If I'm 20 or 30 lbs heavier than you we would probably run pretty even...

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Awesome build! Sounds awesome. Your making me want an R again .
How much snow did you guys get today?

Thank you. :D

Got about 4 inches at my brother's place. At my house about 15 miles south, only got about 1 or 2.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Definitely going to have to find a short 90 degree plug cap though. Had to strip the rubber off the OEM cap and partially broke the inner plastic cap in the process... I just HAD to hear it run today!

I'm going to look around and see if I can find a cap that will work. If not, I'll have to stock up on a few of these BR8ECM shorty plugs suggested by another member....

[JasonB]

looking amazing so far! Seeing all these damned esr 300+ cc 2 R builds has really got me itching to go build. Great work man, looks like you really are on the right path! post some good finished pics asap

[atc007]

Awesome job,and Thanx for sharing!! The smile on your face says it all! Enjoy her.

[ceaserthethird]

Did you ask about HP. & TQ Numbers at ESR ? ? ?

[tri-Z ripper]

very Nice build just enjoyed that! Makes me wanna go in my garage if it wasn't 11 deg. out right now

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Did you ask about HP. & TQ Numbers at ESR ? ? ?

In fact I did when I put the order together. Tom told me the setup I have, dialed in good should be about 60hp ballpark. IDK if that is optimistic or not. I think there are 1 or maybe 2 shops somewhat near me that have dynos, but I'm not real hung up on the dyno numbers.... But I am curious to see what it's capable of. Maybe sometime I'll look into getting it dynoed...

[aldochina]

sweet!! i love how a nice motor can look as sexy as an entire machine!! i have brush painted a 200e frame once with a tractor and implement enamel from tractor supply, it turned out great. the key is a nice fine brush. you would never know it was brushed, very smooth and glossy!! takes a ton of time, and forever to dry though!been perfect the last few days for runnin it. ground is rock solid here, and the grass is still green. not sure on the cold temps, and jetting and brake in though!!

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I agree... The fine bristle modeling brush, patience and good dry time were key in getting the paint to come out good. I actually set the parts near my woodstove to aid in a good cure..

And yeah, going to wait till spring to get it out and really ride it... Not saying I won't put a heat cycle or 2 on it in the garage though! :naughty:

[ceaserthethird]

60 Hp those are big numbers,I would highly recommend you get in a dyno session. You have to be careful with those High
Compression motors. So Once you do few heat cycles do a compression check. Should be over 200 psi.

Keep us posted.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

60 Hp those are big numbers,I would highly recommend you get in a dyno session. You have to be careful with those High
Compression motors. So Once you do few heat cycles do a compression check. Should be over 200 psi.

Keep us posted.

I agree.

As I recall, Tom's exact words were "just about 60hp". So, I would say realistically if I can get 55hp I'm doing OK. I joined trx250r.net recently at another 3WW member's recommendation. It's all 250r on that forum and let me tell you, there are some highly experienced, highly knowledgeable members there that have been there and done that to the ump-teenth degree. In lurking around there, I have learned that it takes a VERY well built 330 or 350 on the stock crank to get over 60hp on the dyno. I'm not real obsessed with hp, but it would be cool to know. One thing is for sure, this thing had better feel head and shoulders more powerful than my mildly modded stock cylinder! LOL!

[tblumer]

50 degrees today, any fooling around outside with it yet?

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Nope....had to hit the road in the big-rig at 4 this morning and didn't feel like doing much of anything when I got home except plop down in my recliner...

It's likely I won't do much other than a few heat cycles in the garage till spring..... It's pathetic I know, but I kinda hate to get it dirty already! :lol: My yard is quite wet and nasty right now...

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Well, I got a little more tinkering done on the R and got a few more pics of it as it sits now.. FINISHED! Took it for a quick rip up and down my backyard and all I can say is WOW! It's running a little rich right now which is OK seeing as it's not broken in yet. But even running on the rich side it's waaay nastier than my old setup, (which was no slouch). If I get a chance to ride it a little bit again, I'll see if I can get my wife to take a vid and I'll post it up. My backyard isn't real big so I run out of real estate quick.... But anyway, here's a couple more pics.

[fire1]

Very nice job

[TtownJoeShow]

Nice build man!!

[sp8twn]

wow!!! nice job!!!!

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Well, tonight I finally got around to taking the 350r up to my brother's house (where the yard is considerably bigger) and put a few break-in laps in. HOLY SMOKES that thing flat rips!

I was going to have my wife take some vid and post it up but she forgot. I'm sure I'll get another chance though.

Everything went very well, might be just a teeny bit lean on my pilot jet. Baseline recommended by Tom at ESR was #195 main, #52 pilot and needle clip on the middle groove (38mm Airstryker carb). But I forgot to mention to him that I am running with the airbox snorkel removed. Or whatever it's called, it connects the airbox to the main frame backbone. Anyway, I have to order a couple steps richer pilot jet just to make sure it's safe.

I was planning on looking up Mr' Golighlty for a +4 swinger here when I get another kitchen pass to spend more dinero on the trike. But after getting the chance to stretch the legs on this thing a little bit I'm thinking a +6 would be a better bet...

Overall, very happy and pumped to light this thing up on Tug Hill this summer where I can really let 'er run!

[aldochina]

sweet man! bout time you got her break in started. i wasnt aware you could run tug hill on atv's! i would be interested in that! reg, and insurance required??

[RIDE-RED 250r]

sweet man! bout time you got her break in started. i wasnt aware you could run tug hill on atv's! i would be interested in that! reg, and insurance required??

Oh yes, Tug is an absolute BLAST! To ride seasonal roads open to ATV's in Lewis County registration, insurance and helemt required. Now, Lewis County has some county trails that run on privately owned and county forest lands. To ride those trails, you must get a Lewis County Trail permit. Those trails are more like trails, narrow, windy, muholes.... goat trails. The seasonal roads are gravel and buckets of fun to ram around on. Careful of the 55mph speed limit though. DEC and Sherriffs have been known to check speed in some locations on busy poker run and SNIRT run type weekends. I just do my best to guess, but sometimes I can't help myself from slapping the happy lever, and HARD! LOL!

Oh, and the seasonal roads are open 365 days a year unless snow is on them as they are part of the sled trail system. The Lewis County trails are open May 1st (I think) till deer season opens..

Check this site. Should answer most any question you have. http://tughilladirondacksatv.com/tughilladirondacksatvassociation/index.htm

[El Camexican]

I just watched the video. Very nice trike, but I can't belive how little smoke there was. What oil did you have in it and at what ratio?

[RIDE-RED 250r]

At that time I was running Amsoil Dominator at 40:1. But I now have it mixed 32:1 and will be switching to Maxima 927 oil. When I disassembled my old setup I saw evidence of corrosion on the cylinder wall where the piston was parked and a little bit in the bottom end. No more full synthetic oil for my baby. Switching to the maxima on the recommendation of some very reputable R builders including ESR...

I jetted it to baseline recommended by ESR and I think right now I'm just a tad lean on the pilot. I'm going to richen the main 2 sizes as well before I ride it again. I want to be sure it is safely rich for breakin.

[mohadib]

sounds mean! looking forward to some videos.

[Swinger]

What can I say other than the truth. I am jelous!!!

[GO OVRIT]

At that time I was running Amsoil Dominator at 40:1. But I now have it mixed 32:1 and will be switching to Maxima 927 oil. When I disassembled my old setup I saw evidence of corrosion on the cylinder wall where the piston was parked and a little bit in the bottom end. No more full synthetic oil for my baby. Switching to the maxima on the recommendation of some very reputable R builders including ESR...

I jetted it to baseline recommended by ESR and I think right now I'm just a tad lean on the pilot. I'm going to richen the main 2 sizes as well before I ride it again. I want to be sure it is safely rich for breakin.

Where are you with your air screw? That will tell you if you need to go up or down with your pilot jet. 1.5 turns out is a good starting point. If you're under 1.25 or over 2, you should chang the pilot.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Right now it's just a hair over 1.5 turns out... Less than 1.75. More like 1 5/8

Where it is now it has a healthy idle and doesn't "hang" after revving it up a bit. Seems consistant.

Are you a member on trx250r.net? Your name looks familiar...

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Well, I'm a royal bonehead! You know, a mind like a sive.. :lol:

Went out and replaced the 190 main with a 195 and something told me I should double check my pilot jet size. I could have sworn I had a 52 in it and a 50 in my box-o-jets. Well, I was wrong! Had a 45 pilot in the carb, which was baseline recommended by ESR (I checked my email from them to verify). Installed the #50 pilot and opened the airscrew to about 1.75 turns and she runs great. My low end bog before was ever so slight. Plug chops looked almost too good, possibly very slightly lean for low RPM range. Looks and runs safely richer now.

FTR, I have written down my jetting on a piece of paper and put it in my jet box.... So, NOW I should be able to remember!! Sucks getting old! :lol:


Now to finish break-in...

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Well, got some descent play time in on the 350r this weekend. She's running awesome!! :naughty::twisted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZNP98w9on0&context=C46be0f9ADvjVQa1PpcFP4bbaXCzvszizZ6McUr-7_XwV32yHI-qw=

[zzmegad]

wow that thing really rips, freakin awesome

[lightemup01]

seems nasty how much in the throttle where you in this vid?

[ezmoney1979]

Well, got some descent play time in on the 350r this weekend. She's running awesome!! :naughty::twisted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZNP98w9on0&context=C46be0f9ADvjVQa1PpcFP4bbaXCzvszizZ6McUr-7_XwV32yHI-qw=
Awesome! Looks and sounds great! Seems really tractable.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Thanks guys. Didn't have enough room to really lay into the throttle. It gets going fast in very short order.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Well, I got a chance to run about a tank of fuel through the 350r today on the SNIRT Run event on Tug Hill in northern NY...First time I have ridden it in a place where there is room to let her run and you couldn't slap the smile off my face all day... Until....

Toward the end of the day my cylinder base gasket blew out. Not really sure why. I'm thinking I should have applied some Threebond sealant to it.

The good thing is I figured out something was wrong and shut it down before it hurt anything as far as I know. Sucked getting towed behind a King Quad 15 miles back to camp.. But, everybody has to endure the shameful tow back to camp once in a while. It was just my turn today... ;) But she'll be back soon enough!

[riverrat]

I love reading this build up. Reminds me of my own. We kind of built them at the same time too. Maybe you didn't have the base nuts all the way down tight? Those sleeves that the cylinder slides over are kind of tight (at least mine were). Did you re-torque?

[RIDE-RED 250r]

My plan was to check all the fasteners at the end of the day yesterday. Before yesterday I had only run about a half gallon of fuel through it.

Any tips on how to torque those cylinder nuts? I don't have a single socket I can attach to my torque wrench that will fit in those recesses where the cylinder base nuts are. I know it sounds extremely shade-tree, but because of that I had to basically torque those nuts by feel. Box end wrench was the only thing I have I could get on them with. I have used that "method" many times in the past in situations like that and have had good success with it..

Might be a dumb question, but is there a way of hooking a fish scale or something to a wrench and accomplishing close to the required torque that way?

[HondaHarry]

You need a Box End adaptor for your Torque Wrench for the cylinder nuts. Might need to grind on it a little for clearance.
Also if you use one of these at 90 degrees from the head of the wrench, you do not need to adjust your torque settings. HH

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Probably will have to grind quite a bit. Those big bore cyls have even less clearance for the cyl nuts than the stocker.