It's going to be a bumpy ride America

[fabiodriven]

Dan I know you grew up in the city.

Wood, made from trees, is flammable. That means it burns. I actually cut trees down with my saw and bring them in my house to make a fire in order to heat my home.

In the past, I'd run out of wood, so I switched to burning concrete and steel. It didn't pan out so well. As it turns out, those two substances are not flammable.

[atc007]

I'm a little surprised that no one is jumping up an offering an explanation to this question. It is one of the main focal points in at least one of the videos posted. According to the narrative the viewer is supposed to believe that this proves that either a missile, or jet with a reinforced nosecone was exiting the building.

If I am to except that, then I must except that it also disintegrated after it finished tearing through the building and exiting. I find that to be an impossibility. Solid point bullet does not change shape unless it impact something. If it passes through an object any distortion to its shape will occur within the object, not after it exits into the air again.

That tells me that what I see in the video can only be one of two things. It can either be an optical illusion created by gas, dust, or some other debris exiting the building under pressure caused by the impact, or it could be that the video I was watching has been altered.

If in fact it is an optical illusion it reminds us that our eyes can play tricks on us which can be attested to by anybody who's ever going to a good magic show. However if it was doctored that brings into question the validity of everything else in that video.

I'm not trying to focus in on any other aspect of the event with this question, so for a moment forget building seven, forget what Dick Cheney was doing that day, forget what the Pentagon it looked like. I just want to hear an explanation of how what appears to be a solid object can disintegrate in mid air.

If I had the answers, I would have been dead long ago. What I know is, a 767 is a very big girl. As is whatever plane went into the towers. Anyone unfamiliar with how they did the switch,look up and study the Northwoods project. There are countless,and I mean,,countless videos documenting the ATC from that day.. To say it was complete blind chaos is a huge understatement. NEADS screens were littered with false bogies from the war games.They do however have the overlaps of the switches and flight 11 in flight 25 minutes AFTER it flew into WTC..( the first plane to "supposedly hit"} . It was tracked by 3 different airports. I would have to brush up,, JFK, DC and Ohio, I think..It's transponder tracking toward Ohio,Indiana..You have seen the close ups of the actual footage on ABC,CBS etc from that day? They zoom in and very clearly show a very large projectile under the belly of that plane. These are not doctored or manipulated. That is NOT a passenger aircraft. Whatever that was, the military has had for far more decades back than this, using self destructing ordinance. To time the first explosion AS the plane was hitting, a split second before the nose hit,it surely is no stretch of the imagination to think that whatever was under the belly of that plane self destructed in say,2- 3 seconds from impact.Flying at whatever speed it was. That is a lot of force.

It is 100% undisputable there was an explosion before the plane touched the building. Whatever that was,combined with the force of that jumbo jet+ it's fuel, + that explosion is a lot of force. However that hole came to be on the other side????????????? All of that pressure was going to take the road of least resistance to get out. Every drop of the force was headed that direction. I guess I haven't seen the exact video you're referring too,or maybe I have.. And like Fabs, this is all rusty stuff to me. I did spend a few hours Tuesday watching some newer docs,both for and against common sense and reality. Unfortunately for me, I have zero choice but to exist in 110% reality... BTW,,, you do know that both of the UA liners supposedly destroyed in the towers have been photographed in use since 2001, in 2003 in Ohio,and 3 or 4 other occasions. The exact tail numbers of those planes. Is what it is. Anyone with a brain the size of a bird can figure out the basics of that day. The older this gets, the more it wreaks. Again, no decent human should have or know the answers of all the logistics that went on.

[atc007]

Dan I know you grew up in the city.

Wood, made from trees, is flammable. That means it burns. I actually chop trees down with my saw and bring them in my house to make a fire in order to heat my home.

In the past, I'd run out of wood, so I switched to burning concrete and steel. It didn't pan out so well. As it turns out, those two substances are not flammable.

Life is short Fab,and Dude,,move on... ..lol

[Red Rider]

Ok, so what is the purpose of this thread? Let's assume you have successfully changed people's perception of what happened on 9/11, in that the attacks were orchestrated, and executed, by the US government. So, now what?

[El Camexican]

I`m glad you`re at least asking a question ......but why would you be trippin on that .......plane goes in whole ....... comes out as a little shrapnel ......two planes enter ......no plane leave .........no no no don`t forget what Rumsfeld said day before 2.3 TRILLION .........TRIL-LION ! ........unaccounted for ??.........get - da - fock - out - of - here !!! .......forgot to quote Elcabrone .......did you know Chicago = piss & sh!t in spanish ? I think i just don`t understand what Nico is asking but i want him know this is the LIE OF THE CENTURY !!! ......there is something else to consider .......Fabs first posted it ......free energy technology = pulverised those buildings to dust before they hit the ground ! .....it was not generated by heat .......this gov. is hiding the ability to disintegrate any mas into dust without heat .......the engineer said if the mass fell onto the seawall...... the bay would have flooded every first floor building in Manhattan that day ! ........now that is over the top .......An exhibition of power to teach the world how far .....THEY HAVE COME !

That's my point, they appear to come out the backside whole and then turn to shrapnel. Solids objects don't do that.

Another thing someone brought up; Bombs on the underside of the jets. Ok, no doubt, something fishy there, but then why use a puny missile on the Pentagon and not another jet? Again conflict, people are saying a jet can't do enough damage to a building and would have disintegrated when it hit the tower, but when one is alleged to have done exactly that when it hit the Pentagon it must have been a missile? Can't have it both ways guys.

I won't be able to access YouTube for the next two weeks, but I will find and post the video I'm referencing. Im not sure if the link is this thread, or if I was directed to it while watching a long from here. It's a slow motion clip played over and over showing the debris exiting the tower in the shape of the jet nose cone.

[fabiodriven]

Ok, so what is the purpose of this thread? Let's assume you have successfully changed people's perception of what happened on 9/11, in that the attacks were orchestrated, and executed, by the US government. So, now what?

Know the truth and spread the word. Realize the lie that is supposedly our freedom. Stand up for what is right.

[redsox]

I notice you're now avoiding the actual thread topic AND the reply to your last inquiries. Your tactic implies that you are just plain out of good defenses to your argument.

Take out your dictionary Dude, and look up "parable." While you're at it, look up "ignorant," because you showed us already that you don't know what the word means.

What I pointed out with the parable is how any event can be twisted if you use Hypothesis Proponent logic. Just like the vegas shooting will be twisted, and the next thing that comes up. It took me about five minutes to come up with that info on Standard Box. I can't believe you sheep don't think something is fishy there. Follow the money, man.. Learn to swim. Its all there, just open your eyes.

[El Camexican]

Actually i`d like a trial , court martial , sentencing , public humiliation .........and a complete overhaul of all government entities , including NASA , and all all all all facken secret technologies , alien or otherwiset divulged to public NOW ! ......no more secrets !

At the very least the missing pages from the report. I thought 45 was going to make them public?

Roswell, Kennedy, Unmasking by the last administration, why does drinking one can of beer make me piss three cans out? Mexanadians want answers!

[fabiodriven]

Take out your dictionary Dude, and look up "parable." While you're at it, look up "ignorant," because you showed us already that you don't know what the word means.

What I pointed out with the parable is how any event can be twisted if you use Hypothesis Proponent logic. Just like the vegas shooting will be twisted, and the next thing that comes up. It took me about five minutes to come up with that info on Standard Box. I can't believe you sheep don't think something is fishy there. Follow the money, man.. Learn to swim. Its all there, just open your eyes.

Dan I now seriously question your intelligence.

You're using a building built with wood in the 1800's as your parable to contrast three steel and concrete structures, the only three steel and concrete structures in the history of mankind to "collapse due to fire". Mind you only two of the three were even hit by planes. And you think you're making a point? That's an insult to the dead as well as the rest of the planet, our country, and our species as a whole.

You are a part of the propaganda machine and you are a liar. You have seen physical and scientific evidence that you choose to ignore, and you also choose to ignore the laws of physics. You are an accessory to me. There is nothing funny about any of this.

Your lack of intelligence shows when you spin up a little story like that and expect us to believe it. You're either not that smart, or you think we're stupid. I can assure you I as well as many of the others here are far too intelligent for your little "parable". If you don't understand how an investigation is conducted, you might want to brush up on that. The way it works is, you collect evidence first, then use the evidence and data to come to a conclusion about what happened. The exact opposite happened in this case and if you can't recognize that it's not only sad, but it makes me nervous. There are a lot of you out there, there are people of authority who think the way you do, and there are people out there who will turn their backs on their people in the face of adversity.

I like what Glamy hopes for. I hope for peace and understanding above all, but if for unfortunate reasons that does not come to fruition and the hits the fan, I look forward to glory in battle, and I'll be curious to see who is standing and where should that day come.

[redsox]

El Cam, I took a few minutes just now to try and look at the nose cone stuff, as it had never occurred to me to look before. What i found is that there is an entire camp of people that think there was nothing that impacted the buildings at all. That it was all an illusion. Man, I can't keep the theories straight. I'll look a little more at the nose cone stuff. Give me a little time.

[redsox]

What's a dictionary?

Exactly my point,

[El Camexican]

El Cam, I took a few minutes just now to try and look at the nose cone stuff, as it had never occurred to me to look before. What i found is that there is an entire camp of people that think there was nothing that impacted the buildings at all. That it was all an illusion. Man, I can't keep the theories straight. I'll look a little more at the nose cone stuff. Give me a little time.

Oh yeah, there are hundereds of theories out there clouding the truth. The only way to separate the fly sh*t from the pepper is one piece at a time. Unfortunately some people who've made up their minds refuse to accept the possibility that they might be wrong. If people could just agree to disagree on certain points for a moment it would be a lot easier to put the puzzle together, but that doesn't seem to be happening here. Sad, as I'd like to fully understand what really happend.

[fabiodriven]

El Cam, I took a few minutes just now to try and look at the nose cone stuff, as it had never occurred to me to look before. What i found is that there is an entire camp of people that think there was nothing that impacted the buildings at all. That it was all an illusion. Man, I can't keep the theories straight. I'll look a little more at the nose cone stuff. Give me a little time.

Dan, there multiple theories, yes. The reason for this is that science has already proven the "official" cause to be wrong and against the laws of physics. We already know it didn't happen the way we've been told. At this point now apparently it's up to the rest of the planet to figure out what happened because the United States government is lying to us and refused to do a true investigation from the beginning. Are you familiar with how investigations work Dan?

There wouldn't be multiple theories if we were only told the truth. It is not the fault of those who work diligently and exhaust every single avenue looking for the truth that you are confused. If your brain is hurting from too many possibilities then leave it to the professionals. Meanwhile you can continue to be a disservice to the American people.

[bkm]

The one thing that bothers me is, as far as I know, these were the first planes to ever strike the buildings in this manner, so we have no other instances to go off of on how they would react to the planes hitting them. How do we know beyond a shadow of a doubt this couldn't happen as described? It has never happened before, yet we have lots of people who are dealing in absolutes. Just because something is supposed to be xyz "proof" doesn't mean it's going to be unless it's tested against xyz in the exact same conditions. John, I admit I haven't watched the video yet, so please bear with me here, I'm truly trying to look at this from all angles. What I'm getting at is we can theorize all day long about what should have happened, but unless these two buildings are built again the exact same way and two fully fueled passenger planes are flown into them in the exact same manner, you can't say beyond a shadow of a doubt, this is what will or should happen. The science has to be questioned just like authority should be.

Remember, the guys who built the Titanic said it couldn't sink, yet didn't make it across the ocean.

We've all seen an f5 tornado rip through a town and level every structure a mile wide, but there's that one concrete slab where a house used to be and something crazy like the dining room table is sitting there with the table cloth and candles untouched. Physics will say that is impossible, but reality says otherwise.

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[fabiodriven]

Bryan I appreciate your attention and objectives. The simple answer is, science and physics. There is no arguing that, and the science is questioned.

I'm going by memory here, I'm in the garage right now. The official scientific theory about what has happened here was posed in the wherever scientists do their most important stuff place, where they all congregate, theorize, experiment, challenge, and sometimes come to conclusions. In the video you will see that the best theory on this very subject has been has been posed for years and never challenged, not once. If there is a better scientific theory on the truth about what has happened, it has yet to have been heard in the scientific community.

The most accepted theory is quite damning to the "official" story and the NIST report both. It clearly states what we have been told is an impossibility.

The Empire State building was struck by a plane once. When you watch the video you will see other skyscrapers that have burned much hotter for much longer yet remained structurally sound.