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  1. #16
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    Don't get your panties in a knot were here to help . I've been a atv mechanic for over 28 years and have seen many seized 200x motors from silicone . If you pull it apart and the cam is seized you know what happened .
    Very rare for a cam chain to break , more than likely its the rod , piston or cam shaft that is seized .



    Quote Originally Posted by Jaymesbf View Post
    And I know he didn't use silicone because I asked him about using it and he advised me against it.
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    Help is why I came here and the lack of panties makes it impossible for them to get knotted. The quotes around "professional" seems condescending to me and like you're questioning if I know what a professional is. He's been doing this stuff for just as long as you have and gets paid well for it because he knows what he's doing.

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    Just to clarify, the help I appreciate. Talking down to me, I do not.

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    Hey sir, I wasn't going to respond again but I will. Shortline10 IMO is one of the more if not most respected individuals on this board for 200x work. Hell, I thought I was pretty good until I met him and he isn't busting your balls, emotion is conveyed poorly sitting behind a keyboard, so take it with a grain of salt. He's a great guy with tons of knowledge. Neither one of us are trying to disrespect you or your mechanic. I have seen many threads on here of people claiming they have their bike worked on by the town mechanic (who is the best they have ever seen) only to find out later that something was missed or a juvenile mistake was made by obviously a shadetree mechanic. Furthermore, half of the servicemen in any big four shop weren't even born when three-wheelers were in their heyday. Obviously there are still the gems in the shop, but anymore they are far and few between. No need to justify your mechanic any longer, we give you the benefit of the doubt until we see different. Just trying to offer a few kind words since you are a newby. I hope you get the demons out of the bike and get her back on the road soon.
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    I know that emotions and intentions are difficult to convey through writing. I really do appreciate the help because my knowledge is lacking in this field but I am an intelligent person and a fast learner. I've been reading posts for the past couple of years and can see that he is one of the more respected people on this website. Like I said before though, the way he phrased his response and used the quotes just came through as slightly condescending to me, whether it was intentional or not. I know the difference between a professional and the local guy who works on random stuff. Again, I do appreciate the help.

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    If he is indeed a professional and a buddy then perhaps start with him..

    We can debate for hours the possible causes, but truth is we don't have a clue what's wrong!!

    Your buddy should pull the motor, pop the top and give you an answer in about an hour..

    If it's on you or something you did, I guess he'll hand you a bill..if it's related to a mistake he's made or a part he supplied and installed I guess it's up to him to decide if he's gonna repair it as a warranty/workmanship repair.

    The proof of the issue is in the motor..

    No point getting defensive about the 'tone' of someone's post..they are just calling it as they see it and you did ask for their opinion. Sometimes opinions come sounding that way..you may need to thicken up and bit and listen to the message being offered!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougspcs View Post
    If he is indeed a professional and a buddy then perhaps start with him..

    We can debate for hours the possible causes, but truth is we don't have a clue what's wrong!!

    Your buddy could pull the motor, pop the top and give you an answer in about an hour..

    If it's on you or something you did, I guess he'll hand you a bill..if it's related to a mistake he's made or a part he supplied and installed I guess it's up to him to decide if he's gonna repair it as a warranty/workmanship repair.

    The proof of the issue is in the motor..

    No point getting defensive about the 'tone' of someone's post..they are just calling it as they see it and you did ask for their opinion. Sometimes opinions come sounding that way..you may need to thicken up and bit and listen to the message being offered!
    X2 . You should talk to your mechanic. My guess would be seized cam or lower rod bearing.Have you tried turning the motor over backwards.Either put it in gear and roll it backwards or grab the flywheel and try turn it backwards.If it somehow jumped timing the piston could be hitting the valve.
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    No disrespect intended and the panty remark I apologize for that . I can't tell how many 200x motors that go threw my shop with lots of mistakes from previous mechanics . Let us know what you find out :
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    Nope Jaymes, I didn't read the previous post as I hurried up and wrote that then went for a wheeler ride =) If its not broke then I suppose it would be impossible to bunch up. I guess yank that top end and find out what happened...
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    I'm willing to bed somthing got into the motor when it was rebuild and locked a bearing up.

    you do not need much gasket material on the valve cover at all, i normaly just put a light coating on with a paint brush or finger.

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    Not yet. It's my brother-in-law's trike and he has yet to pull the motor. He's going to pull it eventually, bring it to me and I'll pop the top to see if it's a fix that won't require splitting the cases. Just for gits and shiggles, I looked up the shop online that my brother in law took his trike to when it was rebuilt and found 1 review from 2 1/2 years ago. Here it is....

    The greatest hidden secret in the Chippewa Valley. This small motorcycle and ATV shop has the best mechanic you will ever find. Reasonable and Honest. Craig rides and races his own bikes (including a few original Indians) so does his young sons. Craig knows what he is doing and I will take my bikes to him as long as I can ride them there. You should take all your motorcycles and atvs to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaymesbf View Post
    Not yet. It's my brother-in-law's trike and he has yet to pull the motor. He's going to pull it eventually, bring it to me and I'll pop the top to see if it's a fix that won't require splitting the cases. Just for gits and shiggles, I looked up the shop online that my brother in law took his trike to when it was rebuilt and found 1 review from 2 1/2 years ago. Here it is....

    The greatest hidden secret in the Chippewa Valley. This small motorcycle and ATV shop has the best mechanic you will ever find. Reasonable and Honest. Craig rides and races his own bikes (including a few original Indians) so does his young sons. Craig knows what he is doing and I will take my bikes to him as long as I can ride them there. You should take all your motorcycles and atvs to him.
    His best buddy could have gone online and written that review..or even him. Wouldn't be the 1st time someone used the internet to self-promote!

    But then its not important what we think of him, we're just giving opinion about where your problems may have come from...if you think he's great it's all that matters.

    If so I'm sure he will be willing to step up to the trough if the problem turns out to be his!!

    We'll be eager to hear when it comes apart and the solution is found..hope it doesn't sting!!
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    Certified Honda mechanic for +25 years. That qualifies somebody as a professional, to me. I feel that you don't get to where he is, without any promotion or advertisement, without being extremely good at what you do. His only business is word of mouth, and business for him is good. I'd love for my brother in law to take it back to him, but he's expensive and I don't doubt that it was something that I did. I promise, as soon as I've got it apart, my findings will be posted on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaymesbf View Post
    Certified Honda mechanic for +25 years. That qualifies somebody as a professional, to me. I feel that you don't get to where he is, without any promotion or advertisement, without being extremely good at what you do. His only business is word of mouth, and business for him is good. I'd love for my brother in law to take it back to him, but he's expensive and I don't doubt that it was something that I did. I promise, as soon as I've got it apart, my findings will be posted on here.
    Either way..good luck!
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