Does your doctor ask you if you have guns in your home?

[Scootertrash]

These three things:

{snip} I don't think it affects me.
{snip}
I don't have time for that stuff.
{snip}
I just am not afraid of anyone coming to take them.

Lead to this:

there's little we can do (we gun owners)

Sitting around waiting for the laws to be passed does no good. Connecticut didn't end up the way it is just because of who we have for a president, it's been slowly going this direction for years, with people making the above three comments. Now they are to the point where thousands of gun owners are not registering their firearms. It should h ave never gotten this far!

Why did it get this far?

I don't think it affects me.

Why did it get this far?

I don't have time for that stuff.

and

I just am not afraid of anyone coming to take them.

Well it sure looks to me like a lot of people have decided now that the law says to register your firearms that:

A: It does affect them

B:They all of a sudden certainly have time to stand up for their rights now, and

C:They must think that if they register their guns that someone will come for them once they know what they have and where they live. Why else would they refuse to register?

As far as the keyboard commando/chairborne ranger chest puffing and "If they want my guns they they have to pry them from my cold dead fingers" crap, as soon as they make examples of the first few resisters by severe means of punishment, a large majority of the internet bada$$e$ will bow down an turn in their guns. A bunch more will give up once they've had weapons pointed at them or shots fired at them (I've never been shot at, but I'm pretty confident that once bullets start flying in your direction "sh!t gets real" as they say). Once people start dying defending themselves and what used to be a God given right, many more will surrender.

So why do people want to wait until it turns into the "cold dead hands stage"? You don't wait until a plugged toilet is flowing water all over the floor to fix it.

There are an estimated 9 million firearms owners in the US. Do you know how many are in the NRA? 5 million. There was 4 million until the first big anti-gun push after Sandy Hook. NRA members like myself and others offered up sponsorships for those interested to get a life membership for 300.00 instead of the normal 1000.00 (even 2 or 3 members here signed up).

If the NRA had 7 million members do you think we would even be hearing much about gun control?

The time to stand up for your rights is before you lose them.

[Scootertrash]

Your Doctor doesn't care about you having a gun unless you've given him/her some reason to believe that you would do something terrible with it. The insurance companies want to know because they can use it as an excuse to either raise your rates or kick you off entirely.

You're partly right. Your doctor may not care if you have guns or not, but with the government, the rabidly anti-gun side of the government, running your health insurance, the government does care. And since the government will be paying your doctor, your doctor will give the government what it asks for or he won't be paid.

Doctors prescribe meds that shouldn't be taken before operating a vehicle or heavy machinery, do you think they will let you have guns if they prescribe you those types of meds?

[RIDE-RED 250r]

My answer to the initial question is this: I am not a person who lies, but when it comes to anyone nosing around in my business where they don't belong I would become a pathological liar pretty fast. It's none of their damned business and this is the beginning of policing thought, perceived intent, etc instead of prosecuting actual crime when it occurs. This is the punishing of the whole of society for the actions of the few and it is not only morally wrong but it is utterly unconstitutional!

Social media is flooded with good analogies on the stupidity of the gun-grabbing sector of our society. Real statistics back up our side of the debate every time.

But my take is this: As "educated" as our political elite claim to be, I just don't believe for 1 minute they actually believe their own BS they are shoveling to the public. There are piles and piles of real life statistics that disprove their whimsical theory that a world without firearms would be a peaceful world where nobody commits crime. This is where I believe the beginning of the deception of the sheeple begins. Why is it that drunk drivers kill more people every year than firearms ever thought of and yet they are not trying to take all of our driving privileges away for the actions o the statistical minority??? Yes, they are ramping up enforcement of drunk driving it seems every year... which is fine, pursue the criminal.

This is not REALLY about our safety folks. There is something much deeper going on. This is about complete control.. of you the citizen, in every aspect of your life.

And I hate to say this to you DOHCBIKES: but the attitude you have is what got us here. That attitude that "it doesn't effect me" is the attitude that contributed to the rise of Nazism and eventually death camps. Go ahead and laugh at me for bringing up the predictable example...ever talk to a holocaust survivor or a WWII vet that was there?

When they came for my neighbor, I said nothing. When they came for my other neighbor, I said nothing. When they came for me, there was nobody left to say anything.

If you think this cannot happen here in the good ol USA, THINK AGAIN!!! Need I remind you of the Japanese internment???!!!

Progressives like FDR, Obama, Wilson (to name a few key presidents) are the most arrogant of elitists who think it is THEIR God given right to micromanage you the citizen with no boundaries.

Be careful what you ignore........

[DohcBikes]

These three things:


Lead to this:


Sitting around waiting for the laws to be passed does no good. Connecticut didn't end up the way it is just because of who we have for a president, it's been slowly going this direction for years, with people making the above three comments. Now they are to the point where thousands of gun owners are not registering their firearms. It should h ave never gotten this far!

Why did it get this far?

Why did it get this far? and

Well it sure looks to me like a lot of people have decided now that the law says to register your firearms that:

A: It does affect them

B:They all of a sudden certainly have time to stand up for their rights now, and

C:They must think that if they register their guns that someone will come for them once they know what they have and where they live. Why else would they refuse to register?

As far as the keyboard commando/chairborne ranger chest puffing and "If they want my guns they they have to pry them from my cold dead fingers" crap, as soon as they make examples of the first few resisters by severe means of punishment, a large majority of the internet bada$$e$ will bow down an turn in their guns. A bunch more will give up once they've had weapons pointed at them or shots fired at them (I've never been shot at, but I'm pretty confident that once bullets start flying in your direction "sh!t gets real" as they say). Once people start dying defending themselves and what used to be a God given right, many more will surrender.

So why do people want to wait until it turns into the "cold dead hands stage"? You don't wait until a plugged toilet is flowing water all over the floor to fix it.

There are an estimated 9 million firearms owners in the US. Do you know how many are in the NRA? 5 million. There was 4 million until the first big anti-gun push after Sandy Hook. NRA members like myself and others offered up sponsorships for those interested to get a life membership for 300.00 instead of the normal 1000.00 (even 2 or 3 members here signed up).

If the NRA had 7 million members do you think we would even be hearing much about gun control?

The time to stand up for your rights is before you lose them.

I stand up for my rights by being a responsible gun owner.

"Keyboard commando", I like that. I'll try to use that next time someone is trying to shove their opinion down my throat, while disregarding the opinions of others, and acting as if they are the almighty authority on the subject.

Noone is coming to take my guns. I'm still not afraid, and I never will be.

[Scootertrash]

I stand up for my rights by being a responsible gun owner.

I never said you didn't, but standing up for your rights requires more than just being a responsible gun owner

"Keyboard commando", I like that. I'll try to use that next time someone is trying to shove their opinion down my throat, while disregarding the opinions of others, and acting as if they are the almighty authority on the subject.

Glad you like it. I prefer chairborne ranger myself. That comment had nothing to do with your opinion and was a blanket statement, a generalization, not directed at you personally, and I stand by it. I apologize if you feel I was singling you out, that wasn't my intention. The majority of people who claim (on the internet or otherwise) that they will put up a bloody fight if the government came for their guns will fold like a cheap card table when sh!t gets real. Bank on it. You may not give up, even tho I haven't made that type of comment, I may not. But the majority will.

Noone is coming to take my guns. I'm still not afraid, and I never will be.

Never said anyone was. Never said you were, never said you will be

As far as instances where the government (doesn't matter if it's state or federal as far as I'm concerned) illegally confiscated guns without due process and without evidence of a crime, all you need to do is go back to New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. They confiscated guns, lied about having any when they had at least 1000 guns they confiscated. Then when they were FORCED to give them back, they made it extremely difficult for the owners to reclaim their rightful property buy using ridiculously strict proof of ownership requirements until a second lawsuit by the NRA forced them to relax the requirements. It took 2YEARS for them to return the firearms to their rightful owners. But hey, no one was coming for their guns either, right?

From WIKI:
About 3/4 of the way down the page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici...ricane_Katrina
Confiscation of civilian firearms

Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, and Deputy U.S. Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58 year old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm.[83][84]

Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, "What we’ve seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves." The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SAF on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.[83]

After refusing to admit that it had any seized firearms, the city revealed in mid-March that it did have a cache of some 1000 firearms seized after the hurricane; this disclosure came after the NRA filed a motion in court to hold the city in contempt for failure to comply with the U.S. District Court's earlier order to return all seized firearms. On April 14, 2006, it was announced that the city will begin to return seized firearms, however as of early 2008, many firearms were still in police possession, and the matter was still in court.[83] The matter was finally settled in favor of the NRA in October 2008. Per the agreement, the city was required to relax the strict proof of ownership requirements previously used, and was to release firearms to their owners with an affidavit claiming ownership and a background check to verify that the owner is legally able to possess a firearm.[85]

Here's a video about the old lady referenced in the above article:

[Scootertrash]

Here's a video about the confiscation in general:

[DohcBikes]

So your example of guns being confiscated ends with the guns being returned.

And its no offense to you but gun legislation articles are as boring to me as Barnett's posts are to most people. Lol.

I do believe your original topic is a concern for people that don't understand how to quietly own weapons, or people that don't trust their physician, but a mass confiscation is not going to happen, and I won't change my opinion on that no matter how many times someone tries.

Personally, I haven't been to a doctor for about 13 years so it hasn't been an issue for me.

[slashfan7964]

You bet. The will not treat you, at least here, until you provide a list of every gun you own along with their serial numbers. This is apparently to cover their butts if they give you something and go awol.

While I can understand this to an extent, what they are really doing is registering them with Albany here in NY, and quite frankly, I don't want s***head in office knowing what I do or do not have.

I'll die from illness before I tell them what I own. They are taking good people, law abiding citizens, and turning them into felon for something as simple as owning a magazine with 1 round larger capacity than mandated (among many other things).

Noone is coming to take your guns.

I would love to hear one single example of the u.s. government coming to someone's house to confiscate weapons when no crime has been committed.

Look at Louisiana. There's hundreds of videos on YouTubes of unannounced SWAT-type raids into peoples homes and taking their guns, at gunpoint, and violently beating them if they put up a fight. This includes elderly people. I'm not talking about a couple cops either. This is full on assault-type teams, barging into houses with battering rams and fully automatic M16's with bullet proof vests and whatnot. Some of these are seen above.

I agree with you that the best thing you can do is be a responsible gun owner, but there comes a point in time where you stand up and say enough is enough. If they think they can get away with taking one right from you, who's to say they won't start taking more? This country is becoming a dictatorship, and fast.

[Mosh]

Anyone paying attention to the major government push to legalize marijuana?

Pop quiz hot shots...Why the sudden push for it. Please someone answer....

[CRAZY70MAN]

Anyone paying attention to the major government push to legalize marijuana?

Pop quiz hot shots...Why the sudden push for it. Please someone answer....

To start another government sanctioned and taxed business just like alcohol and tobacco. A whole new generation of laws, taxes,healthcare problems, doctors, etc..... hmmmmm....sounds familiar?? And for those of you who think they are not coming for your guns......you will wake up one morning and find you so called constitution has been trumped bt NATO.................beleive it. Wake up. Join the NRA at least and voice your opinions. Just mailed my stuff to all of the politicians after I filled out the NRA survey....... Let them know where you stand....your vote does matter to them regardless of what you may here from the quitters. They get the guns and your freedoms.........you can throw in the towel....... New Yorkers once said "They will never get my guns".........you see how that worked out.... Give satan an inch.....and sooner or later he will be a ruler!

[slashfan7964]

It will be one cold day in hell before they take my guns away from me.

If I have to go out all guns blazing, so be it.




As far as us saying we won't give our guns....85% of that was New York City. Sons of bitches down there.

[bkm]

Anyone paying attention to the major government push to legalize marijuana?

Pop quiz hot shots...Why the sudden push for it. Please someone answer....

Because a doped up populus is a passive, non alert populus. Making it that much easier to strip their rights from under their noses without resistance.

[CRAZY70MAN]

Because a doped up populus is a passive, non alert populus. Making it that much easier to strip their rights from under their noses without resistance.

you got it^^^^^^

[Tomcall]

Was it Nancy Reagan or Betty Ford?? Anyway just say no.
I have to laugh. I am in the mental health field and live in AZ. Sometimes a case manager will ask from a managed care company, "are there guns in the home?"
I say "This is Arizona. Everyone has a gun in the home."

[Mosh]

All good answers on the dope legalizing. You are almost there. But dig a little deeper and get a little more paranoid and realize 1000 minds with an agenda are smarter and more powerful than many people give them credit. I really have no problem either way with pot. But once again why does the govt want to regulate it and it's realation to gun control policy along with the new medical questions?

Dohc bikes. You really need to brush up on the govt sponsored home invasions. They dont do it in mass sweeps. Look up the Boston Bombing lockdowns. That alone was BS.