ATCr125x

[bkm]

I guess he's referring to the guy quoted below because I don't know anyone else that would disagree with that clutch article if they understood it correctly, because of course clutches are designed to slip against each other and the pressure plate just like automotive clutches are UNTIL the clutch is fully engaged, at which time there should be no slip, or at least that's how KAWASAKI designed them which may be a stock TECATE...The Most Powerful 3 Wheeler In The Universe will in fact beat a stock Honda atc250 10 times out of 10 in a heads up drag on the asphalt even though it has ONE LESS GEAR in the transmission.

In FACT, the TECATE clutch is so "grabby" that it often chatters a little when engaging it, and the engineers that designed the clutches told me that with all things considered, it was better to leave it like that than for them to try and design a new clutch for it since I considered the chatter to be within an acceptable level.

What they are NOT designed to do is slip AFTER they are fully engaged to "help keep the engine on the pipe" as the person quoted below obviously believes.

I certainly doubt if I or KAWASAKI would have won as many races as we did if we had clutches that slipped so they could help keep the bike on the pipe.

FACT - If you have a clutch on ANY bike that slips long enough to "keep the engine on the pipe", it is trash.





From the article.

(1) A motorcycle clutch is a “deadman switch.” When it is pulled in, the engine is disconnected from the drivetrain. When it is released, the engine and the drivetrain are hooked up.

(2) The trick is to have enough spring pressure to ensure that the coupling will stay engaged under the load of 50 horsepower, but not be so strong that the human hand can’t disengage the coupling.

(4) For maximum hookup, the stiffest possible clutch springs are desirable... Of course, while softer clutch springs are easier to modulate, they also lack the clamping pressure required to keep the drivetrain engaged under heavy loads.
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The simple fact that you chose to cherry pick and only address the last part of El's post pretty much proves the point you're only here to troll, post bait, and hi- jack threads. Which according to the rules, are bannable offenses. Not to mention posting under another screen name while being suspended. AIRAMID?

I don't know what is worse, being a complete social degenerate by getting kicked off multiple sites, suspended multiple times from here, or wasting my time, and stooping to your level by further hi- jacking moozy's thread by addressing you? Probably the latter, because I know better and am not an Internet degenerate.

I forgot to add, who gets their fawking Edit button taken away? How the hell is that even possible? That would be embarrassing enough for me to pack up and move on, or a pretty clear message I'm probably not very well thought of around here, but people with diminutive social skills are usually a little slower at taking not so subtle hints, so I don't know why it's shocking to me.

[El Camexican]

The simple fact that you chose to cherry pick and only address the last part of El's post pretty much proves the point you're only here to troll, post bait, and hi- jack threads. Which according to the rules, are bannable offenses. Not to mention posting under another screen name while being suspended. AIRAMID?

I don't know what is worse, being a complete social degenerate by getting kicked off multiple sites, suspended multiple times from here, or wasting my time, and stooping to your level by further hi- jacking moozy's thread by addressing you? Probably the latter, because I know better and am not an Internet degenerate.

I forgot to add, who gets their fawking Edit button taken away? How the hell is that even possible? That would be embarrassing enough for me to pack up and move on, or a pretty clear message I'm probably not very well thought of around here, but people with diminutive social skills are usually a little slower at taking not so subtle hints, so I don't know why it's shocking to me.

hey man! Are you trying to one up me with a better post?

[onformula1]

Back at ATCr125x headquarters- Jason did you get the shifter worked out?

Also, the throttle cable routes over the handle bar (On a CR), I am not saying it will not work that way just make sure the engine's RPM's don't increase from lock to lock. Possible safety issue.

I think you will need to open up the air box a bit, the CR's run a open top air box to keep the lid I use these-

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p...-Air-Box-Vents

[Mosh]

the simple fact that you chose to cherry pick and only address the last part of el's post pretty much proves the point you're only here to troll, post bait, and hi- jack threads. Which according to the rules, are bannable offenses. Not to mention posting under another screen name while being suspended. Airamid?

I don't know what is worse, being a complete social degenerate by getting kicked off multiple sites, suspended multiple times from here, or wasting my time, and stooping to your level by further hi- jacking moozy's thread by addressing you? Probably the latter, because i know better and am not an internet degenerate.

I forgot to add, who gets their fawking edit button taken away? How the hell is that even possible? That would be embarrassing enough for me to pack up and move on, or a pretty clear message i'm probably not very well thought of around here, but people with diminutive social skills are usually a little slower at taking not so subtle hints, so i don't know why it's shocking to me.

Fact, Fact, Fact

[Jmoozy27]

Back at ATCr125x headquarters- Jason did you get the shifter worked out?

Also, the throttle cable routes over the handle bar (On a CR), I am not saying it will not work that way just make sure the engine's RPM's don't increase from lock to lock. Possible safety issue.

I think you will need to open up the air box a bit, the CR's run a open top air box to keep the lid I use these-

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p...-Air-Box-Vents

Steel shifter is in route. I learned about the throttle on initial startup. It's routed on top now.

The airbox will definitely need opening. Those vents should work. Thanks fellas.

[loganm]

Come on guys don't pick on barnett he's a PRO RACER on the KAWSAKI tequate the fastest tri sickle in existence and is already more qualified than any of us.

DOHCBIKES just proved el camexican's point by taking the time to type that out. I don't think grease from your late night McDonald's binge counts :

[DohcBikes]

Sorry in advance Jason…

No you aren't, or you wouldn't post it.

The amount of force one piston can exert upon another in a hydraulic system may be easily calculated, but I would think that as it applies to a braking system many other factors would come into play. Tire diameter, contact area, disc diameter and material as well as pad material, vehicle weight and distribution of it, etc., etc., etc. I would think all this and more needs to be considered when deciding where to start on a system, but as Milner has pointed out on this particular build I doubt you’ll notice anything that you can’t adjust you riding style to.

The opinion offered was that randomly matching masters and calipers is not conducive to a good plan for optimal braking performance. Good advice.

Did you have a point?

As far as the question posed

Nobody posed a question. But, sure, go ahead and answer an imaginary question that pertains to somebody else.

to why anyone would go offline to discuss something let me throw this out there; If you were trying to get something accomplished would you want a couple of armchair experts tearing into your every word and making you spend hours on end explaining yourself only to forget to cross a t or dot an i and then have to spend another hour explaining what you meant to someone who’s soul reason for asking was to try and one up you?

I'm not sure how a professional ATV technician and a former pro rider and off road vehicle engineer can be misconstrued as armchair experts. Both Mike and myself have offered and been thanked for mountains of info and direction here. Disregarded as neccessary.

Unfortunately more times than not it’s someone who hasn’t had grease under their fingernails for a decade just trying to make themselves look smarter than someone who likely has them beat by a couple dozen I.Q. points. AND still works on real vehicles and not some hypothetical machine in their personal vacuum of a mind.

I woke up with grease under my nails. Since I stopped responding to your blatantly condescending emails several months ago, which MUST be the reason for your attitude towards me, you have exactly zero clue how I spend my time.

when someone who actually can teach some of us something is chased into the PM box by someone who hasn’t learned anything since before the dawn of USD forks and power valves it’s pretty sad.

If the dude didn't make incorrect statements all the time he wouldn't get called on them. He ran away because he doesn't like being humiliated by somebody that has 50x more experience and better credentials.

Maybe if the “experts” would just STFU for a while we could all learn something

That's exactly what I was thinking.

I’m sure they have something to offer the site, but it’s hard to imagine it will ever outweigh the rest of the crap we have to put up with.

What crap, correcting bad info? Making sure that an erroneous opinion isn't accepted soley on the basis of the size of his internet crew?

http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-p...ut-your-clutch

(3) The spring-loaded coupling is comprised of two parts that are joined together by a pack of clutch plates designed to slip against each other before locking themselves together. Why do they have to slip? Because if the plates didn’t slip, the bike would lurch into gear so suddenly that the engine would die from the sudden load. Because the plates are spring loaded and controlled by the clutch lever, the rider can release the clutch slowly or quickly depending on the circumstances.

Seems it's you that can't get your head around it. Onformula1 clearly stated that clutches slip infinitely, which of course anyone that has any experience with dirt bikes knows is ridiculous. Sure am glad you brought that up again!

I'd be a sad mofo if I felt I needed my 'net buddies to make me feel important.

[onformula1]

Jason, when this trike is ready...give me a call so we can setup the clutch, if needed. I "clearly" never said a clutch should slip "infinitely". Maybe it's time for a clutch tech post,,,Na- That may shutdown the site.

[Jmoozy27]

Jason, when this trike is ready...give me a call so we can setup the clutch, if needed. I "clearly" never said a clutch should slip "infinitely". Maybe it's time for a clutch tech post,,,Na- That may shutdown the site.

I'm from an old style of "do what works until it doesn't work" and up to this very second every bit of advice be it trike, bike, or life oriented has been legit. People who flap their c#%cksuckers about fortune telling with no real assistance need to take that shite elsewhere. It gets no play in this ride.

Fukem, insider shite!!!!!

[onformula1]

I'm from an old style of "do what works until it doesn't work" and up to this very second every bit of advice be it trike, bike, or life oriented has been legit. People who flap their c#%cksuckers about fortune telling with no real assistance need to take that shite elsewhere. It gets no play in this ride.

Fukem, insider shite!!!!!

Ahhh, the Force= "Inner Circle" is Strong with this Jedi.

Better get this Bad Boy done quick, I just got off the phone with some FB guy's about this build (I wish they would join this site, but something/s keep them holding back) How do they get my phone number?!

Call me when your ready about- Da Bolts.

[ironchop]

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[bkm]

The only thing I can think of is moderation has dropped to almost non existent (who are they anymore btw) and the inmates have been allowed to run the asylum. Maybe it's time to enlist a new crop of forum police officers to take out the garbage?

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[ironchop]

Hey .......are you disrespecting me ?...

Yes. You won't answer my PMs and you won't let me in the SoCal Club because you think I'm an arrogant hillbilly which is completely true and undeniable.

Now post your address and an online challenge so I know you're a real online badass and not a pretend online badass.

Plus never stop telling me or anyone else that supposedly raced you BITD but doesn't ever remember you AT ALL how much of a PRO trike RACER you were and how much all the evidence was lost in The Great Fire of San Francisco or the Great Trailer Park Shuffle of Fargo or whatever.

I feel like being an extra large dick today.



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[Red Rider]

You know what they say, "admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery."

I know I've been sucked into too many debates here lately, and apologize if it's trashed the OP's thread(s).

[ironchop]

I also apologize to the OP.

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