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    Need advice on upgrades for first gen 250R

    Just got this beast, love it! Would like to hear opinions on upgrades. Forks, extended swing arm, wider axle, carb and motor work? Runs good and got this trike for a decent price. So I wouldn't mind spending a bit of money on it. I kinda think I like the stock forks with the wider tire.
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    Also , opinions on exhaust.

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    I have an extended swingarm on mine. It still feels like a 200s on steroids. Definatly a good upgrade. I have an extra +3 for sale as well. PM your phone number and I'll send pics if you're interested in it.

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    Trx300ex /400ex hubs, gives you just a bit more width. A nice aftermarket pipe is good too. I have a Bassani on mine and it performs great. I Agree with you the wide tire is cool and gives the first gen their character.
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    Depends on your riding preference.

    The longer the swing arm, the harder it will be to turn and the more it will push the front end unless you are sliding, and the more difficult it will be to operate on tight trails.

    If you lengthen the swing arm, you must modify the rear shock and use a stiffer spring unless you weight 95 lbs.

    If you want it to corner well, use bigger rims with low profile tires.

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    An extended swingarm should actually help keep the front tire from pushing as much. The front end really likes to push, especially when it's slick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loganm View Post
    An extended swingarm should actually help keep the front tire from pushing as much.
    Wrong.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by barnett468 View Post
    Wrong.....
    No, in fact I'm right. Better weight distribution. Plus, you can get on it without it wanting to throw you over the back every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loganm View Post
    No, in fact I'm right.
    No, in FACT you are still wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by loganm View Post
    Better weight distribution.
    Wrong for the third time . "better weight distribution" is a matter of opinion not fact, and the "best" weight distribution depends on the intended use of the bike, and it was the opinion of certified and experienced HONDA engineers, and expert riders that determined that the way they designed it was ideal for it's intended purpose.


    Quote Originally Posted by loganm View Post
    Plus, you can get on it without it wanting to throw you over the back every time.
    You can simply sit farther forward on the seat to counter that "problem".


    Quote Originally Posted by loganm View Post
    But I'm not an engineer, so I don't know all the technical details.
    Since you admit that you are not an engineer, and we know from your first thread on the site that you are not an expert mechanic or expert rider, it would be reasonable to believe that you are not qualified to claim that your "opinions" are "facts".

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    I don't know if you've ever ridden a first gen, but they are short, narrow, undersprung, and nigh unslideable. If the first gen design was "ideal", they wouldn't have improved it so much for the 2nd, and 3rd gen. But I don't think OP wants this argument in this thread.

    OP a little longer swingarm will definitely make it more manageable, and give you a bit more travel in the rear, which it desperately needs. It will make it turn a bit slower and wider though. I would not suggest going to a +10 like I am, as you're pretty much modifying the whole suspension system at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loganm View Post
    I don't know if you've ever ridden a first gen, but they are short, narrow,
    Quote Originally Posted by loganm View Post
    I'm 6'1,
    You are 6"1' so of course it may seem a little short and narrow to you . No ATC mfg can build one size to fit all . They build them for the mean average size of people for their target market and 6' 1" is on the extreme high side of that average.


    Quote Originally Posted by loganm View Post
    undersprung,
    Quote Originally Posted by loganm View Post
    I'm 6'1, 225+ in full riding gear,
    This is inaccurate in that it does not apply to all riders since not all riders weigh as much as 225 lbs . No ATC mfg can build one size to fit all . They build them for the mean average size of people for their target market and 225 lbs is on the extreme high side of that average.


    Quote Originally Posted by loganm View Post
    unslideable.
    This is inaccurate in that it does not apply to all riders since not all riders are the same size or skill level . No ATC mfg can build one size to fit all . They build them for the mean average size and skill level of the people for their target market.


    Quote Originally Posted by loganm View Post
    If the first gen design was "ideal", they wouldn't have improved it so much for the 2nd, and 3rd gen.
    This is inaccurate . As I previously stated, it was ideal for their intended target market at the time . It was NOT designed or intended to be a pure race bike out of the box like an MX bike would be as opposed to an Enduro type bike, and it was not specifically designed for people that were 6' 1" and weighed 225 lbs.
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    They certainly could have built it to be a much higher performance bike like The TECATE...The Most Powerful 3 Wheeler In The Universe is, however, this would have increased the cost and reduced the amount of people that would have bought it since at the time a lot fewer people were interested in a pure racing type bike than they were in a good overall performing 2 stroke bike.

    One of the reasons they changed it so much for 1985 is because the 1984 Tecate was a much better bike out of the box for high performance use, and the trend at that time was that people wanted something that was a bit more high performance oriented than their previous model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loganm View Post
    An extended swingarm should actually help keep the front tire from pushing as much. The front end really likes to push, especially when it's slick.
    I thought you were leaving and never coming back? You should try politics with empty promises like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Snort View Post
    Just got this beast, love it! Would like to hear opinions on upgrades. Forks, extended swing arm, wider axle, carb and motor work? Runs good and got this trike for a decent price. So I wouldn't mind spending a bit of money on it. I kinda think I like the stock forks with the wider tire.
    Run a larger carb 34-36mm, aftermarket exhaust, aftermarket reeds, one tooth larger front sprocket, and swap out the rear hubs to a 4/110 hub and wheel setup. Run a 20" sport tire in the rear to help with sliding. This will really wake up the machine. Another common mod is to switch to a 200x front end setup but I haven't got any experience with that. I've ridden a 82 with a old school works shock in the rear that is longer and offers more travel, and it was a huge improvement over the stocker.

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