Interest in Hoosier Re-Making the Front Tri-Trac

[86T3]

It's going great. I'm not sure if Jacob was running 20s or 30s but he won, didn't he? I know Dwight runs 30s and he took the holeshot, didn't he? 30s werent an ideal tire for a dusty track like this. There is no tire that would be ideal for every track. Run 20s at a track where theres blue groove and see how well they do. Watch the quads sometime, the front doesn't move at all and they are super low, how are you going to sell them on a tire that will raise their front end? Or is slightly rounded so they don't have as much contact patch? BTW, the quad guys run 12 compounds a lot. Apples to oranges is an understatement

[Mickey Dunlap]

It's going great. I'm not sure if Jacob was running 20s or 30s but he won, didn't he? I know Dwight runs 30s and he took the holeshot, didn't he? 30s werent an ideal tire for a dusty track like this. There is no tire that would be ideal for every track. Run 20s at a track where theres blue groove and see how well they do. Watch the quads sometime, the front doesn't move at all and they are super low, how are you going to sell them on a tire that will raise their front end? Or is slightly rounded so they don't have as much contact patch? BTW, the quad guys run 12 compounds a lot. Apples to oranges is an understatement

I wasn't talking about quads at all, nor was I saying to run those tires on the front of quads. Jacob ran 30 and was all over the place sliding out in practice, I don't know what they ran in the race, but Dwight lost the lead in the pro lights class because slid out with his 30's. Bryan had the hole shot, but messed up in the first corner and let 5 guys get by, then hit a big tire and went back to almost last, and in less then 3 min. worked back up to 3rd and only needed one more lap and wound have got 2nd. His bike was way better then any in that class to the point the rumors are he's running a big bore (lol), not just the .080 over it is. I love when people say stuff like that! Then come Monday I had two customers wanting that motor, one is here now and the other is coming. Didn't win the race, but those that seen it pull right with Jacob's 450 down the straights know it's a runner, and that isn't because of the motor only , it's because it was working, hooking coming out of the corners in the blue groove. As far as being wide and round put's more on the ground on a 3 wheeler when turning, on a quad they get away with more of a flat tire. A 3 wheeler needs more of a round tire, even the knobby tire I had on Bryans hooked up pretty good, but the faster he gets the more bite he's going to need.

[86T3]

You have to sell them on it by telling them the more the front tire sticks the more they need rear tires that match that front tire, but no one is doing it, and I was told to stay out of it they could handle it. Well how is that going? The same people said they needed a harder tire for the rear end so they ran 30's, where I'm running 20's on Ditches 350x on the same track and was working perfect, they would hook up off the line, slide when you needed in the corners but hook up coming out of the corners. As short as these races are now I built this front tire so I can make it like a 5 compound and groove it more and run 10 compound on the rear or more grip on the blue groove tracks, not less. JMO.

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I was talking about marketing the front tire to quads, you responded and said we have to sell them on it. Dont blame other's mishaps on their tires, then make an excuse that your trike messed up. Bryan's trike ran great, it was very impressive.if I had a 350x that's the motor I'd want, but there is no way in hell it kept up with the Hall's 450. That's a 200 in the picture you posted.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I was talking about marketing the front tire to quads, you responded and said we have to sell them on it. Dont blame other's mishaps on their tires, then make an excuse that your trike messed up. Bryan's trike ran great, it was very impressive.if I had a 350x that's the motor I'd want, but there is no way in hell it kept up with the Hall's 450. That's a 200 in the picture you posted.

Well as always there is a misunderstanding on what I was saying, I wasn't talking about quads, I said "You have to sell them on it by telling them the more the front tire sticks the more they need rear tires that match that front tire, but no one is doing it," I was taking about the front tire on the 3 wheeler has to stick better and what that happens it needs to stick in the rear like the 20 compound or even 10's.

And in Fridays practice Bryan was staying right with Jacob's 450 down the back straight because he was hooking up out of the sweeper, I watch this stuff very close, I know what I seen. Now maybe Jacob was over powering the track so that's why I seen what I did. Just goes to show you how the right set up makes all the difference. That's why I build things the way I do. That was our first time on that trike, I learned a lot and that's why I spent close to $200 on a R&D tire.

[RamsesRibb]

Why do people always try to contradict Mickey? I understood exactly what he meant. If you want something made you have to be able to sell them on the idea. That's business.
It's a forum where everyone gets their opinion. If you don't like what someone says then ignore it. I don't personally know him but this isn't the place for a pissing contest.

(And I know if Fabio reads this he will tell me how lucky I am. And then Glamy will sing a song about me like a Middle Ages bard. [emoji847])
https://youtu.be/ym6hbRhteCc

[fabiodriven]

Nooo! RamsesRibb, don't even suggest such things! They somehow managed to keep this thread informative and drama free, it's best off left unsaid as they continue to navigate in an educational and informative fashion! These guys swap paint Ramses, let their experience speak, just listen!

What I've taken away from this thread is I know nothing about tires and thanks for sharing such experiences! What's the 10/20/30 horse shite? Hardness of the compound I'm guessing?

[Mickey Dunlap]

Why do people always try to contradict Mickey? I understood exactly what he meant. If you want something made you have to be able to sell them on the idea. That's business.
It's a forum where everyone gets their opinion. If you don't like what someone says then ignore it. I don't personally know him but this isn't the place for a pissing contest.

(And I know if Fabio reads this he will tell me how lucky I am. And then Glamy will sing a song about me like a Middle Ages bard. [emoji847])
https://youtu.be/ym6hbRhteCc

It's just the way it is here. People read into what they want to hear or what they think, but miss the facts. I thought I was clear, but it's just a misunderstanding.

[bkm]

Mickey, who told you to stay out of it? If you have contacts at Hoosier, then by all means try and sell them on it. They don't know who some guy who goes by "bkm" on 3ww is nor do they care. I think the ship has sailed for the original tri trac, so we can get that out of our heads, but if you can somehow convince them to make a tire that would work on a trike and other machines, they might bite. Honestly the only reason they made the 30 compound rears is because they already make that tire. There was no extra mold cost.

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[86T3]

Mickey Dunlap
Quote Originally Posted by 86T3 View Post
They are heavy in the flat track market, 90% of the quads in the NEEDT run hoosiers. The problem is that this will be a trike only tire, I doubt the quad guys would want such a tall tire.

You have to sell them on it by telling them the more the front tire sticks the more they need rear tires that match that front tire, but no one is doing it, and I was told to stay out of it they could handle it. Well how is that going? The same people said they needed a harder tire for the rear end so they ran 30's, where I'm running 20's on Ditches 350x on the same track and was working perfect, they would hook up off the line, slide when you needed in the corners but hook up coming out of the corners. As short as these races are now I built this front tire so I can make it like a 5 compound and groove it more and run 10 compound on the rear or more grip on the blue groove tracks, not less. JMO.

These are the consecutive quotes, how in the world am I supposed to understand that Mickey is talking about 3 wheeler tires? The last line of my statement, which he quoted, is about quads. With no further context, he says we would need to sell them on it. You understood that he was talking about trikes? What are the wining power ball numbers for next week, because I could sure use the extra cash to purchase a 350x motor from Mickey. Yes, i agree a stickey front tire could be very helpfull, thats the idea of getring hoosier to make a new feont tire. The rest of this is a long back and forth conversation Mickey and I have been having. And apparantly he just made it clear that he's upset that some people didn't relay his opinion the new tires that Hoosier made specifically for trikes. 99.9% of people wanted a harder compound for the new rear tires, Mickey wanted a soft compound, which they already make.
I assure you I'm very respectful to Mickey, we talk at the races quite a bit.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I'm not going to go round and round with everyone. I'll figure out what is going to work and I go with it, that's the kind of thing you do as a racer. Everyone laughed at me for running these little Carlisle 16X9.50X8's when everyone used 18's. I won races because I don't follow and do the same thing as everyone else, but they sure picked up on it quick. The Halls told me they had the Hoosier thing handled, I felt they were going backwards but I did what they asked. I'm not going to call Hoosier on this because they are working with the #1 rider and I'm not going to get in the middle of it. I have been going around to these races again for a few years now, I watch everything very close, I see how the racers are getting a lot faster each year and just like we started out with lawn tires so did they, but now they need better stuff. I don't have the fastest rider, but he's getting there, he just needs some help. Set up is a very touchy thing, we missed it by changing the fork setting by a 1/4 of a inch on Friday night because the track changed 3 times that night. Just like any racing if you miss the set up you are not going to go as fast. In Bryans main he wasn't ready for the track to get sticky going into the first corner, he started to tip and had to get off the throttle and that cost him. He will learn what to do next time, he learns quick. I will have a few more riders I'll try to help next year so I'm going to need to keep building better stuff and this $200 front R&D tire is just part of it. I came on here to share it because you are not going to get Hoosier to build the old style one, there are just not the numbers, plus no one is telling them why they need it. I seen Hall running the small quad tires on the front and it is twitchy , it's running on too small of a patch on the ground and when a 3 wheel turns a flat type tire it loose more of what's on the ground. IMO you need a sticky tire with a large patch on the ground all the time, no less then 21 inches tall if you are running 15's to 18's on the rear. This is just my opinion, take it or don't.

[Mickey Dunlap]

These are the consecutive quotes, how in the world am I supposed to understand that Mickey is talking about 3 wheeler tires? The last line of my statement, which he quoted, is about quads. With no further context, he says we would need to sell them on it. You understood that he was talking about trikes? What are the wining power ball numbers for next week, because I could sure use the extra cash to purchase a 350x motor from Mickey. Yes, i agree a stickey front tire could be very helpfull, thats the idea of getring hoosier to make a new feont tire. The rest of this is a long back and forth conversation Mickey and I have been having. And apparantly he just made it clear that he's upset that some people didn't relay his opinion the new tires that Hoosier made specifically for trikes. 99.9% of people wanted a harder compound for the new rear tires, Mickey wanted a soft compound, which they already make.
I assure you I'm very respectful to Mickey, we talk at the races quite a bit.

It was just a misunderstanding on your part, I had all ready said the same thing on a earlier post on here about how to talk to Hoosier to help them market it. I'm not mad a Halls at all, I stayed out of it because they asked me too. There are only a few riders that could use the better tires, most like you said wanted harder tire, but they are not winning. It's very hard to race a 3 wheeler on a sticky track, but the fast riders will, and they will be the winners. John Neary has posted up a lot of video's now, everyone should study them, there is a lot of good info to learn on them. Don't only watch the top riders but watch the ones not going fast to, then ask your self where would be in that pack of riders.

[DohcBikes]

I'm not going to go round and round with everyone. I'll figure out what is going to work and I go with it, that's the kind of thing you do as a racer. Everyone laughed at me for running these little Carlisle 16X9.50X8's when everyone used 18's. I won races because I don't follow and do the same thing as everyone else, but they sure picked up on it quick. The Halls told me they had the Hoosier thing handled, I felt they were going backwards but I did what they asked. I'm not going to call Hoosier on this because they are working with the #1 rider and I'm not going to get in the middle of it. I have been going around to these races again for a few years now, I watch everything very close, I see how the racers are getting a lot faster each year and just like we started out with lawn tires so did they, but now they need better stuff. I don't have the fastest rider, but he's getting there, he just needs some help. Set up is a very touchy thing, we missed it by changing the fork setting by a 1/4 of a inch on Friday night because the track changed 3 times that night. Just like any racing if you miss the set up you are not going to go as fast. In Bryans main he wasn't ready for the track to get sticky going into the first corner, he started to tip and had to get off the throttle and that cost him. He will learn what to do next time, he learns quick. I will have a few more riders I'll try to help next year so I'm going to need to keep building better stuff and this $200 front R&D tire is just part of it. I came on here to share it because you are not going to get Hoosier to build the old style one, there are just not the numbers, plus no one is telling them why they need it. I seen Hall running the small quad tires on the front and it is twitchy , it's running on too small of a patch on the ground and when a 3 wheel turns a flat type tire it loose more of what's on the ground. IMO you need a sticky tire with a large patch on the ground all the time, no less then 21 inches tall if you are running 15's to 18's on the rear. This is just my opinion, take it or don't.

"I" or "me" over 20 times.

This thread isnt about you mickey.

[RamsesRibb]

Nooo! RamsesRibb, don't even suggest such things! They somehow managed to keep this thread informative and drama free, it's best off left unsaid as they continue to navigate in an educational and informative fashion! These guys swap paint Ramses, let their experience speak, just listen!

What I've taken away from this thread is I know nothing about tires and thanks for sharing such experiences! What's the 10/20/30 horse shite? Hardness of the compound I'm guessing?

Sorry Fabio [emoji17]

So I just bought a trike with a lot of rake and a square profile tire on the front. That thing is terrible. It only contacts on the edge when you turn.

[fabiodriven]

Lmfao. You don't need to apologize bud.

So who can answer my tire question in this tire thread?

[bkm]

Lower the number, the softer the compound.

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