Does your doctor ask you if you have guns in your home?

[Scootertrash]

I have no problem with pot legalized or not. What you do in your spare time is nobody's business as long as you don't infringe on others rights.

The pot legalization crowd is trying their best to make legalization of pot a states issue. Problem is, the Feds and the pro-War on Drugs crowd don't see it that way, since any laws governing controlled substances-legal and illegal drugs-are Federal laws. At this time Federal law overrides state law. All of that will eventually be hashed out (see what I did there? ) by the Supreme Court of the US.

Whatever the result may be, I guarantee you that the Feds will use it deny gun purchases and eventually send the BATF to your door. How? Why?

Question e on the federal form 4473 or "Firearms Transaction Record Part I - Over-the-Counter", the form you fill out when you purchase a firearm, asks:

Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?

So, if you've been prescribed MM (Medicinal Marijuana) by your doctor because it's legal in your state and you answer the question honestly because you think since your doc prescribed it and it's legal in your state you are good to go, you will be denied the ability to purchase a firearm because Federal laws still says pot is illegal. So, while you may be a lawful user in your state, according to the feds you are an "unlawful user" and will be denied your purchase of a firearm. In addition, since you've just admitted to being an "unlawful user" of MM, they could use that info to investigate you further to see if you own previously purchased firearms. The BATF LOVES to confiscate guns. Do you buy a hunting license?

Now, on the other hand, if you have been prescribed MM, but think what I described above will happen, or have heard that is what is happening, and you decide to lie and answer "no". You've just lied on a federal firearms purchase form and you are now a felon. How will they find out? With the new healthcare system ALL OF YOUR MEDICAL RECORDS WILL BE ACCESSIBLE BY THE GOVERNMENT. If you don't think the BATF will have a database of MM users you are sadly mistaken.

Lastly, the people pushing pot legalization are the same people who push gun control laws: Democrats/Liberals. Connect the dots.........

Dohc bikes. You really need to brush up on the govt sponsored home invasions. They dont do it in mass sweeps. Look up the Boston Bombing lockdowns.

He doesn't have time for that, it doesn't affect him (yet), and he's not scared.

ETA: This too:

Because a doped up populus is a passive, non alert populus. Making it that much easier to strip their rights from under their noses without resistance.

[Mosh]

^^^^Bingo^^^^

Tell him what he has won Bob...


I also read an interesting tidbit lately.

Disabled vets who are reliant upon govt subsidizing and a scrawny check can be appointed a federal fiduciary that can help them over see their limited finances. by the vet agreeing to do so, they are labeled "mentally incompetent" in which case is sent to the ATF and FBI and Gun rights are revoked.

Most would consider me as paranoid. But paranoid and alertness have two different meanings. The first and best rule of self defense is to be "alert".

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Liberty for security??? Anyone????

[Scootertrash]

Liberty for security??? Anyone????

No Thanks. I'll pass.

[DohcBikes]

Liberty for security??? Anyone????

Nope, I'll pass too. Just because I differentiate between reasons for confiscation, it does not mean I agree with any of them.

I think there are a lot of assumptions being made here.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Nope, I'll pass too. Just because I differentiate between reasons for confiscation, it does not mean I agree with any of them.

I think there are a lot of assumptions being made here.

No Sir,

I do believe you value our rights, it is just my opinion you aren't looking at this whole situation with your eyes fully open.

From reading your posts on this topic, it is easy for one to surmise that at this point, you do not believe this can happen here. You have your opinion that differs from mine and that is OK.

But that doesn't mean I will stop trying

[DohcBikes]

I do not believe it will happen, because I live my life and handle my weapons in such a manner that will not provoke these actions, and I know a lot of other people that do the same.

I was raised with weapons, its a way of life for me, I have many times fed my family with my weapons, and I have also defended them with my weapons. No one is going to take mine.

I'm going to read this whole thread a couple times, and I'm going to do my best to absorb the information you guys have provided here. Obviously a hot button that scooter has pushed...lol.

I'm also glad to have disagreements of opinions that don't end abrasively. Thanks for the post Ride Red.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I am sure you do handle your weapons with due respect and prudence..

But may I suggest, simply because one individual exercises proper handling and storage of weapons, does not commit any crime whatsoever, it will buy no favor with the progressives and their agenda of control over the private citizen in every way imaginable. See, this is how they work, it is about the collective...or so they say to garner support for the unconstitutional power they take. The individual and his/her rights are of no consequence to these people..Make no mistake, the elite political ruling class will have their armed guards and many of them will themselves keep weapons.. (many currently do) Also, those close enough to the power or wealthy enough to buy favor will get their passes as well. But you, me, Scooter and all of the rest of us will not be permitted and you can almost name your reason. We are the nameless rabble, the expendable serfs. Our lives, rights and ambitions matter not to these people. We have a prime example right in NYC where you can see how only those in power and those close to that power are allowed the "privilege" (as they like to call it now) of keeping arms. Already in NYS, the county judges oversee pistol licensing and have the discretion of issuing permits or not, issuing permits with restrictions, or no restrictions. Many judges arbitrarily only issue "restricted" permits here in NY. If you want to apply for a full non-restricted permit, it is the burden of the permit holder to demonstrate to the judge a legitimate and compelling reason for him to lift those restrictions. This is not right to subject a citizen to this arbitrary restrictions,who has proven through the long and thorough application process for a NYS pistol license that he is a law abiding and stabil person.

I'm sorry for the long post, but I feel the need to point this out.. If you want to see where the progressives want to take this entire country, look at NYS, NYC, Cali, CT, and a few others. These are prime examples of what is to come and more if we don't stand up and do something about it. And it WILL get worse.. I can tell you from living it, I am a NY citizen and would love to tell you about the SAFE (we call it UN-safe) Act. And some of the big pushers of that legislation are on video record stating they wanted more, that they eventually want "full confiscation"........

One by one, they are taking their masks off. They are emboldened to allow their true colors and intentions to be known. It is up to us to pay attention. Unfortunately, we no longer live in a world where " I will be just fine because I do the right thing and have done nothing wrong" any more. The record of progressives is to keep changing the rules of the game until the people they are targeting ARE doing something wrong.. The NY SAFE ACT is a prime example of this.

All you have to do is look at history. Look at where we are and where is the most likely final destination from where we stand now.

Look up "Tytler Cycle" and tell me where you think we are as a nation in that cycle.....

[CRAZY70MAN]

People handled their health insurance responsibly for years as well.............you see where that went. Good to see a nice healthy discussion, it's refreshing and keeps people in the mix of things I believe

[DohcBikes]

People handled their health insurance responsibly for years.

Did they really??? Are doctors people???

Good to see a nice healthy discussion, it's refreshing and keeps people in the mix of things I believe

Most definitely!! Lots of smart people here.

[bkm]

For the record, I'm all for the legalization. In almost ten years of law enforcement I've yet to deal with an angry pot head and for that reason solely, I'm all for it. Maybe instead of getting all tanked on alcohol more would sit back and toke on a fatty and stop acting like a$$holes.

[trike savior]

2014 has been a big year for many of these issues here in Illinois. Concealed and carry, Medical Marijuana are new to the state as of January and Obama care for everyone. the only upside to living back with my parents after 8 years of freedom has been the cable TV and the fact that they are one of the few people left on the block that still get a newspaper everyday. I have been able to keep up on current events and everything that is going on from the serious side as well as my favorite news shows with Stewart and Colbert (comedy central).

KEEP IN MIND HERE BOYS, IN MANY OF THESE SITUATIONS, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT FORCABLY DISARMING THE PUBLIC, BUT TAKING AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO LEGALLY OWN (FOID CARD). Being caught with a firearm without a FOID card is a felony and causes you to loose your right for life. Some misdemeanors will also cause you to loose your right like various battery and domestic charges.

HOWEVER OUR GOVERNEMNT DID RECENTLY BUY 3 BULLETS FOR EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHILD IN AMERICA LAST YEAR

I understand what Mosh is saying since I read an article that now in the state of Illinois if you have the medical Marijuana card you cannot have a FOID card. The states have the right to do it first and I can promise you guys, if the a$$holes here have done it, more will soon follow. Illinois is the biggest bunch of pu$$y, right forfeiting bastards there are. I cannot buy BB's at the local Wal-Mart because the local municipalities have banned it. if i hear the argument one more time from an idiot here " why do you need guns when we have cops" I am going to freak out. it is because of these people things like the patriot act were passed and our rights are constantly trampled over without question. the hardest and most important argument i try to get across to these people if you gave up civilian rights to weapons that the bad guys would still have them. growing up the way i did, i know the places of Chicago where it is easier to get an illegal weapon than get one legally.

This medical marijuana and no FOID card is a big area of concern for me personally, being a smoker, because now I must choose between my love of firearms and my ability to use a natural drug for my pain. not the 90 pill bottles of liver killing vicodin they have been shoving down my throat since I was 14. all I have ever wanted was equality to the non smokers and to not have to worry when i am pulled over what a cop may say he thinks he smells. and now things are so close and they are going to pull this. I never have felt like a "normal" person for the simple fact that I have always been a law breaker since I can remember and they seem to do everything they can to keep it that way.

Now somehow taking a medicine for a physical problem is going to make me a liability. If anything, it makes it a greater chance i will be sitting on the couch eating Cheetos instead of going to the gun range on my day off. and yet there is nothing against being intoxicated and using a weapon, which i have seen lead to alot dumber .

TAKE IT FROM A GUY WHO LIVES IN A STATE THAT DOES NOT ALLOW AUTOMATIC WEAPON OWNERSHIP BY CIVILLIANS, THE CRACK DOWN HAS ALREADY BEGUN. when researching the ar-15 lower you guys were talking about i found out how easy it is to own an automatic weapon if your state allows. the number of states that do not allow is supervising low but will be growing. Wikipedia "gun ownership by state" and you will see from the charts of each state their restrictions on ownership. restriction on magazine sizes seem to be the second step after outlawing automatic weapon ownership.

i posted this on the ar15 lower discussion because the guy explains the situation the best. Go to 17:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJzwyIo4Sx8 he says it has started as well with the argument of why do you need 10+ rounds to go hunting. that should not matter and if they win that argument i don't think it will stop. maybe we need to just get honest about the fact these weapons are strictly peace of mind every day that when the hits the fan i can defend myself better than most. AND HOW CAN YOU PUT A PRICE ON PEACE OF MIND. and people hear you say that then they look at you like you are crazy when in reality they are. We have all seen what happens during natural disasters and other breakdowns of the public order. The Rodney king riots, Katrina and countless others, take your pick. the thing is for 95% of us it is strictly self protection from the advancements of others but it is the 5% that have ruined it. I am sure everyone saw the footage of that bank robbery in cali several years ago with 2 guys in full armor and AR'S firing in the streets.

I care deeply about my right to own our firearms and am seriously worried how long it will continue with the leadership we have in the state and federal governments. It is amendment #2 folks. I am a huge history buff and our founding fathers could have put it farther down the list but they did not. they says a whole bunch in itself. I personally think our founding fathers would be sick at what our country has become after everything they fought for. and i am not gay bashing with that statement, if anything they would probably be proud we lead the world in an area of human rights. but i think they would cry at the rights we have given up and signed away.

[trike savior]

and for all you Obama hating guys i wish you would just stop. i am so sick of hearing how terrible Obama care is and how horrible of a president he is. i don't like the guy much but do you really think ROMNEY would have been better? South Park park explained it best when the boys had to pick a new school mascot, a deuche or a turd sandwich.

In my opinion Obama care is working great and has made good sense from the beginning. i have watched my uncle barely get by for years, paying ridiculous amounts to his health insurance company because he was so high risk and always having to use it. He finally has a plan that is reasonable. the only way to make this happen was for everyone to get insurance so the healthy pay for the sick. that was the core idea for Obama care and it is working. all the media talk about death panels and everything else was propaganda and trying to instill fear in the public.

Unlike some i was able to keep my health insurance plan i had before and i do sympathize with those that could not and had to shell out extra cash in these hard times. however if that puts us on the right track to get our healthcare system under control and feasible for everyone at all stages of their life, it is a good thing and i would have paid my part if asked.

Now some may say oh what about the website issues, couldn't get covered if we wanted to. Jon Stewart was talking about this on the show a few weeks ago with someone. the company that did Obamas fundraising campaign for his last reelection, the one throwing pop ups at you everywhere you went online, they looked into applying for the job and could not figure out how to. If that does not say something as to how messed up and legal mumbo jumbo filled our government is, i don't know what would. the company that ran one of the biggest internet ad campaigns in history cant figure out how to apply. which also begs the next question of after the company that got the job, paid the lawyers to get them the job, how much was left to spend on the job itself?

all presidents are under a microscope but it seems like he gets it worse or maybe the news agencies are just that ridiculous these days. stewart showed some recent clips of the news anchors calling him too much of a hard @$$ for something i cant remember and how bad it was and then the same people calling him a wu$$ for the handling of the Crimea situation.

Just sick of it. Its done, get on board. he is out soon and you can complain about the next one.

[Mosh]

Obamacare was the biggest screw up in our history.
I bet 60% of carreer working folks are right in the same wage bracket.
I am struggling with the concept a family of 4 making 40k a year paying 800 per month on top of a 5k deductible being able to pay for that crap. That is over 1/3 of their monthly income when they were paying maybe 500$ per month with a 1000$ deductible.

It is a shift in funds that hurts the populace of income generators in this country already living check to check before obamacare. So there becomes another factor to the gun control equation. Limit gun ownership? Make the people unable to spend one extra dime for anything other than health care , housing , and energy useage. Don't forget obama has raised all the energy rates 18-30%.
He is a thug.

If they really wanted wanted to help the people with health care , they could have regulated the insurance companies and hospital fees and forced people to cover everybody regardless of condition.
It was all a fricken lie , facade , slide of hand...But it looks like many people are into that sorth of thing now.

[Scootertrash]

So your example of guns being confiscated ends with the guns being returned.

So that makes it OK to trample peoples constitutional rights, confiscate their personal property without due process or or proof of laws being broken? Then set up ridiculous requirements for proof of ownership to get your illegally confiscated firearms back (they wanted valid proof of ownership in the form of a receipt for purchase or transfer. Seriously? Where the hell are people going to get that when all of their belongings have been washed away in a hurricane?

Then it takes 2 years of legal action by the NRA, SAF, and GOA so people can get their legally owned, illegally confiscated property back?


And its no offense to you but gun legislation articles are as boring to me as Barnett's posts are to most people. Lol.

I do believe your original topic is a concern for people that don't understand how to quietly own weapons, or people that don't trust their physician

How exactly do you "quietly" own firearms?
People fill out a federal form and go thru an FBI background check
Peoples family, friends, coworkers and neighbors (including all of the previous that may not necessarily like them) know they own them thru conversation, hunting and target shooting. Even if if your neighbors don't know you, if you shoot on your own property they know you have them because, well, guns are noisy when you shoot them.
People come on public forums and talk about owning guns and how they will fight to the death to prevent them from being taken from them.

It's not about "trusting" your doctor. As I said before, your doctor will simply be "doing his job" collecting the information for your government mandated (required) healthcare, so he gets his money.

but a mass confiscation is not going to happen

Even when I point out a well documented incident

How do you define "mass confiscation"? Township? City? State? or do we just wait until it goes National?

and I won't change my opinion on that no matter how many times someone tries.

But you'll find some way to justify it when it happens like you did the Katrina related example I posted.

Personally, I haven't been to a doctor for about 13 years so it hasn't been an issue for me.

You'll end up at one eventually, whether it's lack of preventative care or an accident/injury.