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    Seems I really kicked the hornets’ nest here. I usually don’t lay out a bunch of personnel info on the net as I don’t know when it’s going to come back and bite my ass, but I value your friendship (and others on here) immensely, so I will try to better articulate my views and hope it clarifies my earlier comments.

    First of all my tongue in cheek post that seems to have offended many. I have a pretty indiscriminately sense of humor. Myself being the most common recipient of it. Be aware that I own all the Cheech and Chong movies and can’t remember most of them for some reason. If my attempted light side perspective of a buzzed society seemed like a personal attack on anyone’s habits, or needs I apologize.

    As far as booze VS pot, hell yea, if it had to be one or the other that everyone on the road was using pot wins every time, but I prefer neither when my kid is in the car.

    As far as my age, education, intelligence and experience with this product I will share that I am almost 20 years older than Glamy’s guess, didn’t finish all my high school courses, have my IQ above 140 and used and at times “moved” this product for almost 20 years.

    About 10 years into my adult life my employer wanted to promote me and take me off the government insurance program and onto a private plan. I failed the pee test, got demoted (not fired) and eventually had to quit and try and climb the ladder somewhere that this wasn’t hanging over my head holding me back.

    At the next job I moved up quick, but then a fuc**ing accountant started pushing the owners to get me to sign a document that said I would stop operating motorcycles while in their employ. While it never came to be and was laughed off when I confronted the issue with the owners it was my awakening to the fact that the golden rule is in effect for all employees. At this point I decided to clean up my act and get in line with the rest of the sheeple and have no regrets other than that I wish I’d stayed in school a little longer.

    I have absolutely zero issues with anyone burning for medical or recreational purposes on their own time. I do have issues with them doing it while participating in activities that could harm others and with an employer not being able to decide if they want abusers in their employ. As much as it pissed me off back then I now see the need for control.

    Notice I said abusers. My issues are with the people who smoke on the way to and during work hours. I consider these people to be abusers and I have worked with many of them and seen plenty of on the job stupidity. The guys that lite up after work and in the evening are the ones that I consider to be users as I once was.

    As far as medical needs users are concerned I feel they should be treated the same way as any other disabled person. They should be allowed the same liberties as a guy with a broken leg. Stay home and get better, take on a job that allows them to work around the disability, or find an employer that will give light duty tasks. Like the label says, “Do not operate heavy equipment”

    As I eluded to in the Tony Stewart post and again here, there needs to be a methods of control before full legalization and protection for users is awarded. What should they be? I don’t know. It effects everyone differently. Maybe there should be a proficiency test. One like I always wished there was for booze. You drink (or smoke) until a measurable amount is in your blood stream and then take some eye hand coordination tests? I don’t know, but I do know I don’t want the pilot that is taking me home today to be smoking a joint before we take-off.

    Got to go guys. Hope there are no more hard feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabiodriven View Post


    DOHC's point of view doesn't matter to me one bit, as the subject at hand could be soap making, heroin use, roofing, or soil contamination and he would be telling us what's what. The resident expert on everything...
    Roofing, Ask a Gifford. All else stated, I have no idea. Feel free to object to my wealth of information any time you want John. Your hobbyist opinion does not matter to me either.

    Quote Originally Posted by fabiodriven View Post
    This is a subject where I am very well educated.
    LOL, OMG, I KNOW, RIGHT?! Congrats!!

    Where again did you receive an education in Marijuana and its effects on everyone? And a mighty impotent subject it is. Must admit that i started to read your last post, just before i fell asleep. zzzz


    There could be quoted responses.
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    > Being a child of the 60's, 70's and into the 80's when I turned 18 and moved out into the real world I found myself getting into all the drinking and drugging I wanted. It all seems fun at the time, as all sin does. We don't like to here the word sin because we don't want to be told what is right and what is wrong. Don't want to drag this out to be a long story but when I raced in my youth I won most of my races. After I moved out on my own I still won but not as much because of the parting. I went so far as getting my Pro AMA licence for motocross on motorcycles when I realized I wasn't fast enough nor dedicated enough to get a factory ride, so I started racing 3 wheelers. Long story short I got clean, and stayed that way all though 83' and won most of my races again, to the point Honda took me on half way into the season so they could use me in their win adds. Then towards the end of the year Honda wanted me to race the Baja 1000 in the open class with Marty Hart. As we were pre running as a team all week, 200 miles a day for 5 days, I notice most of these guy smoked pot all day during the ride. After the race I partied with them, more just to fit in, knowing that I shouldn't, but gave into it anyway. I remember flying down to Honda after that to sign my contract for 84' and sitting next to a preacher, I rejected what he wanted to take about, and in my defiance I order several whiskeys and 7ups. It took me 4 years to stop drinking and drugging again, my racing career didn't go as far as it could have and I lost a lot. Some people don't go through all the crap I did, others have lower lows, but the real question is why do we do stuff and take stuff in the first place to make our selves feel better? The answer is simple, in fact too simple for some. We were born into this world as sinners, our hearts bent away from the things of God our creator. We try to fill the void in our hearts with everything we can, drugs, alcohol, sex, money, fame and anything and everything in this world with no avail. No matter if you are aware of it or not we all do things to feel better, but it can never fill our void of God with the love He has for us. That's it, as simple as I can put it, believe it or not, Jesus is the answer to everything in life! I have been there and done everything that has been talked about on here, and way more, and thank God for saving me from all that! I don't need anything to make me "feel" good, Christ fills every need you can have "perfectly" above and beyond anything I ever did in my power to feel better.

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    I know that took a lot Mickey. Well done. I have zero personal experience with any of this. Never did understand any of it. But will certainly say. This site and some of the people on it have certainly opened my eyes WIDE open. Good thread ?!! ..lol
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    I've never used marijuana. Not once. I don't judge people who do. Simple as that.

    I don't use drugs (narcotic, pharmaceutical, etc) and I don't judge people who do.

    I don't use alcohol as a crutch. I don't judge people who do.

    People just need to stop being judgemental of others especially when they are not educated on the subject at hand. I guess I grew up in a family of pretty boring lineage. I didn't grow up around any abusers or even responsible users of any substance. I am oblivious to most of this and because of this I have no right to judge. I'm not saying that I wouldn't feel different if something bad happened to my son, close friends, or any other member of my family due to a misuse by them or someone else (ie: car accident involving a drunk driver) but as of right now I'm clueless, therefore I choose not to judge.

    Call me ignorant if you want. I'm cool with that. I'm no better than anyone else on here just because I choose not to use certain things. I don't claim to be any smarter or dumber than an individual who chooses to use marijuana either. I have never spoken against or in favor of marijuana. It is possible to stay neutral on a topic or issue.

    I must be very disconnected from society. Judge me if you want. Like I said, I'm cool with it.
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    ^^^ I am going to judge you right now. You seem to have your act together, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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    interesting thread. its a good read. i'll keep my personal history, habits, comments, and feelings on he matter personal for a myriad of reasons. but, i was wondering what you guys think of the defense being used by the associate of the Boston Marathon Bomber. What is his defense for removing and destroying evidence, lying about it to federal investigators, and not disclosing his knowledge of the murderer's whereabouts (which lead to a cop killing)?? Well, his defense is "I was high." I'm not joking. That's his defense. "I was fishbowling with my friends and I was high." Look it up. Hs name is Robel Phillipos. Trial is going on now. He's not saying he was bath-salted up and wanted to eat someones face. He's not saying he was rippin' rails or tweakin. Just a little weed. Not his fault?? Right? He's in college. He is practically required to blaze,, right? So,, how can he be held accountable for aiding a fugitive terrorist asshole who killed an 8 year old and blew his younger sisters legs right off?? How can the executed cops blood be on his hands?? Society made him smoke weed, and weed made him do it!!! So, ipso facto, SOCIETY DID IT!! ITS OUR FAULT!!!!

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    Well, in response to Redsox's post...

    Unfortunately, we live in a time where blame is constantly shifted from the person whom it truly belongs with, to someone or something else. Many many people these days take no responsibility for their own actions. And while there are some people with legitimate mental or chemical disorders, it's just my opinion that there are 10's of thousands of "fakers" for every one individual who truly needs help.

    Having said that, I think we are at a point that most, (not all) people are not responsible enough for legalized marijuana. Heck, there is certainly no shortage of people not responsible enough to consume alcohol!

    I have quietly followed this thread and kept my opinion out of it because I don't use it and it's highly unlikely I would if legalized...

    But my position as a libertarian is this: If it neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg (to loosely quote Jefferson) what do I care what my neighbor does on his own time in the privacy of his home?? So long as it does not put me or my family in danger, and so long as I am not forced to finance it via taxation on my income to be used in various government programs to "help the needy", I really don't care a hoot in hell. BUT, I would like to see factual study from a completely neutral source. I don't feel one can truly get an objective "study" on the subject if the study is conducted by those on one side of the debate or the other, or connected in any way..be it government or the Chongs of the world.

    I understand that it helps some people medicinally when other synthetic drugs fail, and who am I to argue that. I have not used it, and have not needed it or any other strong pharmaceuticals in my lifetime so far.. (lucky I guess) and I have not studied it. And I do think there is a problem with over medication in our society these days. I know of school kids who are "diagnosed" AD/HD whose REAL problem is a complete lack of parental guidance and dare I say, DISCIPLINE in the home. In many cases, parents are happy their kids get diagnosed, it means a free paycheck from SSDI! So, now we have droves of kids getting medications they really don't need shoved down their throats. I see a problem with this. And this is just one example. And what is started at that young age putting kids on meds they ought not be on, we get what comes next...

    Drives me nuts hearing about grown adults who need to have their "happy pills" because they are "clinically depressed"... And I'm not talking about veterans who have experienced the horrors of war. I'm talking about immature drones who call themselves adults that just were not brought up in a way as to prepare them to handle life as an adult in the real world.

    Kids are staying home with mom and dad longer and longer... Heck, obamacare mandates that children are to be allowed to stay on mommy and daddy's insurance till the age of 26!!! We are CAUSING and NURTURING this kind of "dependent on anything but myself" mentality!

    Anyway..... I've spoken my piece for what it's worth. Carry on.

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    Often I find myself noticing how people (mainly politicians) in the opposite camp as I am on other hot button "personal liberty" issues will justify their position on abortion (for example) as a matter of personal liberty. And yet this same person is ready to, (and often has) vote to infringe on my spelled out constitutional and God given right to keep and bear arms.

    I have to wonder what the majority of legalization proponents position on the 2nd amendment is. I'm sure many of you here probably support it and will likely comment on that question... possibly even be offended that I ask (hopefully not as that is not my intention). But the question remains.. because in my personal experience with politicians here in my state, those who are on board for legalization are one and the same the very people who voted for the NY SAFE Act..which has been a HUGE infringement on the 2nd here in NY...
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    Quote Originally Posted by glamy View Post
    With your guns and your bombs.....in your head.......in your head.......ZOMBIE...ZOMBIE ! You don`t know (ignorant) and it is scary that you`re probably armed to the MAX !........carry on....toodels ......first you`re gonna shoot me then you`re gonna clean me then you`re eat me........and then.....you`re gonna sh!t me out !.......no more and then !
    Nice post Glamy. You are an asset not only to this site, but to humanity. Sorry to interrupt your teachings, please carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glamy View Post
    With your guns and your bombs.....in your head.......in your head.......ZOMBIE...ZOMBIE ! You don`t know (ignorant) and it is scary that you`re probably armed to the MAX !........carry on....toodels ......first you`re gonna shoot me then you`re gonna clean me then you`re gonna eat me........and then.....you`re gonna sh!t me out !.......no more and then !

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Camexican View Post
    Sounds like if the smokers get their way Colorado would become a utopia.

    The average day might go something like this…

    - Wake up in a home build and inspected by guys that were high
    - Make breakfast for family using products that were handled and packaged by guys that were buzzed
    - Send kids to school in a bus driven by a guy that just smoked a bomb to negotiate roadways with a few thousand other stoned drivers that are late for work
    - Kids learn math, history and take sex-ed class from stoned teachers during the day
    - Dad works construction as a crane operator 10 stories above the city while buzzed
    - Mom drops the car off at the mechanics to have the brakes checked by “Roach” and takes a taxi to the hospital where she works as an OR nurse who assists doctors that perform open heart surgery while high
    - At 6:00 everyone returns to the family home near the airport where stoned pilots pass over every few minutes as they approach Denver Airport
    - After ordering pizza made and delivered by stoners (this one is actually true anywhere) they tune into the local news to hear about all the train derailments, gas line explosions, water main breaks and traffic fatalities (mostly shootings at green lights perpetrated by non-smokers in a rush to get somewhere)
    - Mom and Dad tuck the kids in, lite up and marvel at the wonderful world they live in

    As I’ve said before, I’m all for legalization, but it has to be controlled somehow. Until such time as levels can be detected forcing employers to take on users means taking on abuser’s as well.
    i agree with some of your points but think you were being a bit over dramatic. some of the smartest and safest people i know are users and riders and trust them with my life but at the same time i do believe alot of people abuse it. i myself cant stand the smell of it but i dont down it. it keeps some people calm who would otherwise be wound up or an a$$hole. i have no prob with it being legal.

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    It also has the ability to turn calm people into assholes. Users of marijuana need to accept the truths, that not everyone reacts the same to every chemical.

    Not to mention, ever seen somebody that thinks they 'need' it to stay relaxed run out? I've seen people go absolutely batshit psycho when they can't get any. For the record I hardly know anybody that doesn't use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantombiker View Post
    i agree with some of your points but think you were being a bit over dramatic. some of the smartest and safest people i know are users and riders and trust them with my life but at the same time i do believe alot of people abuse it. i myself cant stand the smell of it but i dont down it. it keeps some people calm who would otherwise be wound up or an a$$hole. i have no prob with it being legal.

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    Hope you read post #20 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DohcBikes View Post
    It also has the ability to turn calm people into assholes. Users of marijuana need to accept the truths, that not everyone reacts the same to every chemical.

    Not to mention, ever seen somebody that thinks they 'need' it to stay relaxed run out? I've seen people go absolutely batshit psycho when they can't get any. For the record I hardly know anybody that doesn't use it.
    ^^^ That right there is the biggest problem with pot, or any drug/substance/drink. The human mind. Which, incidentally, is the problem with society.

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