Clearance issues???

[DohcBikes]

Its not a 250r frame and comparing it to a dirtbike frame is plain ignorant because it is not a dirt bike therefore it sees a completely different amount and type of load. You can't just say "welp looks like this frame must be good" But, whatever you say bud. I've only built around 60 custom bikes so my experience is limited.

[Jmoozy27]

"Welp, we'll just have to see man"

[Jmoozy27]

I've only built around 60 custom bikes so my experience is limited.

I thought that you were Barnett for a second. But then I remembered that you own a trike.

What should I do then? Are you an expert?

[Dirtcrasher]

You need to replace the brace at some point when everything is in place the way you want it.

The square 200x frames are prone to breakage, regardless of what the biased 2nd gen owners say. Even you DC

With all that monster power you'll be throwing down you can't just cut it out and leave it out. Dat's whack, man.

J- Rarely (never) does a true custom that is built correctly only need the engine mocked up once. If you want a good finished product you will need to go through the entire process as it requires, regardless of the want to save labor or time.

It looks like the carb top and throttle linkage may be a clearance issue as well?

I just want it verified with pics!! lollll

I can't break mine and I have 4.

[DohcBikes]

I just want it verified with pics!! lollll

I can't break mine and I have 4.

Let me ride it, you'll soon have all the verification you need!

I've only owned two. Both frames were broken. You'll just have to take my word for it Steve.

[DohcBikes]

I thought that you were Barnett for a second. But then I remembered that you own a trike.

What should I do then? Are you an expert?

Just offering my far-more-experienced-than-yours opinion for free. Snide comments and guessing won't keep your frame from breaking.

If you know so much, why did you even ask? This is a technical thread, not a schoolyard.

There's one person on this thread that has raced high powered drag bikes and he didn't even think you should remove it before bracing it first. Your attitude towards the advice here is nothing but ignorance and for that reason my advice is now unavailable to you.

Even the foremost expert on suspension (this alone should clue you in to where the issue will be) made essentially the same reccommendation that I did. That makes, pretty much everybody on the threads advice wrong I guess.

My guess is that the choice to leave the brace out is largely based on the fact that you already painted the frame and don't wanna do it again.

It obviously wasn't ready for paint. If you can't determine the correct order of operation on a custom build I'm not sure how you are determining the projected dynamic stress load of your frame.

Throw stones at me like a child would if you like. I will be happy to make you look foolish every single time you do it.

You guys are quite entertaining though.

Merry Christmas.

[3WW Star-John_Neary]

looking at the frame now my concern would be is there enough support up by top shock mount

if you go with it like it is now i would say keep a really close eye on that area for any cracking or flaking of the paint that would indicate frame flex

[DohcBikes]

looking at the frame now my concern would be is there enough support up by top shock mount

b.i.n.g.o.

Not something you want to learn the hard way is it John.

A catastrophic frame failure at the shock mount can seriously injure or even kill you depending on how it happens.

Frame engineering is not checkers it's chess. You don't just cut a brace out of a high performance machine and call it good.

It's not about making one jump with it not breaking, it's about making 1000.

So far I think very person here knows it needs the brace. Leaving it out would be sheer ignorance or laziness.

[barnett468]

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Its not a 250r frame and comparing it to a dirtbike frame is plain ignorant...

2. Fire your welder . . My Grandma can weld better than that and she's dead.

3. You can simply move the now missing bar up and tack it in above the carb and pipe for now, then eventually add a couple of small gussets to spread the load out, however, I'm sure that some other "engineer" here will say that that will add two hundred lbs to the frame and change the stress points so it will break in half on the first 2 foot high jump you try to make and you will die and I'm sure they are right, however, you already changed them anyway by not only removing the bar, you also changed them by adding a "gusset' kit so...

4. It's a Honda so who cares.


MERRY CHRISTMAS!

[Jmoozy27]

Just offering my far-more-experienced-than-yours opinion for free. Snide comments and guessing won't keep your frame from breaking.

If you know so much, why did you even ask? This is a technical thread, not a schoolyard.

There's one person on this thread that has raced high powered drag bikes and he didn't even think you should remove it before bracing it first. Your attitude towards the advice here is nothing but ignorance and for that reason my advice is now unavailable to you.

Even the foremost expert on suspension (this alone should clue you in to where the issue will be) made essentially the same reccommendation that I did. That makes, pretty much everybody on the threads advice wrong I guess.

You guys are quite entertaining though.

Merry Christmas.

Man, your just way too easy. Glad to see all of the good opinions. There hasn't been this many good opinions since the vinyl tubing thread. If any of you would think that I would cut out one of the biggest supports on this frame and not replace it with something then you haven't been reading through the atcr thread. I always planned on reinforcing my cut, just didn't quite know how I was going to do it. The bait did work to get the experts from under the rocks, and it was done with a page out of your book Damon.

Relax dude, I just couldn't pass up the opportunity. I thought about after your comment last night about the engine swap. Don't be so rowdy. Smile like your avatar. I respect your knowledge as I do everyone else's as they exceed mine by much. I'm just a undereducated coonass with a trike problem. But I do appreciate the feedback. Sincerely.

J-Moo

[Jmoozy27]

b.i.n.g.o.

Not something you want to learn the hard way is it John.

A catastrophic frame failure at the shock mount can seriously injure or even kill you depending on how it happens.

Frame engineering is not checkers it's chess. You don't just cut a brace out of a high performance machine and call it good.

It's not about making one jump with it not breaking, it's about making 1000.

So far I think very person here knows it needs the brace. Leaving it out would be sheer ignorance or laziness.

This is my plan, gusset both sides of the shock mount. I saw it this morning just before I made my cut. It should take care of that. I'm glad someone finally made that recommendation.

[Jmoozy27]

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2. Fire your welder . . My Grandma can weld better than that and she's dead.

3. You can simply move the now missing bar up and tack it in above the carb and pipe for now, then eventually add a couple of small gussets to spread the load out, however, I'm sure that some other "engineer" here will say that that will add two hundred lbs to the frame and change the stress points so it will break in half on the first 2 foot high jump you try to make and you will die and I'm sure they are right, however, you already changed them anyway by not only removing the bar, you also changed them by adding a "gusset' kit so...

4. It's a Honda so who cares.


MERRY CHRISTMAS!

I should definitely fire my welder. He's ignorant and lazy...

[DohcBikes]

The bait did work to get the experts from under the rocks, and it was done with a page out of your book Damon.

By claiming you were joking to cover a mistake after several experienced people show it to you, you are also taking a page from my book. Don't forget who wrote it.

The reason I know you were serious is because there was already plenty of good advice flooding in, and no reason to bait anyone.

I don't however recommend intentionally baiting people if that's truly what you did. It is against the forum rules to do so and just such an exchange ended in a long ban for me.

Not to mention it pisses people off. If that's what you wanted, so be it. If not, you might wanna curb that inclination next time.

Relax dude, I just couldn't pass up the opportunity.

Again you might wanna run on by it next time. If there is anything everyone here knows about me, it is that I will nail coffins even tighter, long after they have already been buried.

Don't be so rowdy. Smile like your avatar.

Been smiling this whole time.

I respect your knowledge as I do everyone else's as they exceed mine by much. I'm just a undereducated coonass with a trike problem. But I do appreciate the feedback. Sincerely.

Thank you and you are welcome.

I can easily see that you are a hard worker and quite capable of understanding complicated things. If you are under the impression that I am concerned with anything other than your safety then you are under the wrong impression.

From the forum rules:No trolling, and post baiting. If you post something with the intention of doing nothing more then pissing a person(s) off you are doing what is known as trolling or post baiting. Trolling and post baiting will not be tolerated period, and you will be banned without warning or notice totally at any moderators discretion.

Trust me, it can happen.

[Jmoozy27]

By claiming you were joking to cover a mistake after several experienced people show it to you, you are also taking a page from my book. Don't forget who wrote it.

The reason I know you were serious is because there was already plenty of good advice flooding in, and no reason to bait anyone.

I don't however recommend intentionally baiting people if that's truly what you did. It is against the forum rules to do so and just such an exchange ended in a long ban for me.

Not to mention it pisses people off. If that's what you wanted, so be it. If not, you might wanna curb that inclination next time.

Again you might wanna run on by it next time. If there is anything everyone here knows about me, it is that I will nail coffins even tighter, long after they have already been buried.

Been smiling this whole time.

Thank you and you are welcome.

I can easily see that you are a hard worker and quite capable of understanding complicated things. If you are under the impression that I am concerned with anything other than your safety then you are under the wrong impression.

From the forum rules:No trolling, and post baiting. If you post something with the intention of doing nothing more then pissing a person(s) off you are doing what is known as trolling or post baiting. Trolling and post baiting will not be tolerated period, and you will be banned without warning or notice totally at any moderators discretion.

Trust me, it can happen.

You as well as others should know better then to assume that I'm a troll although I don't think that is the case. I was getting good feedback last night but it was the stuff that I had already discussed with myself. Sometimes you just have to get more eyes than your own on something to really get a good look at it. In my area I would be considered a 3 wheeler guru. Which isn't saying much. There just isn't a lot of knowledge around me in person. So I resort to the internet for info. This is my second time building on this frame and I never once thought of gusseting the shock mount. No one recommended it until john neary at 3:19 today. I apologize if I offended anyone as that was not my intention. Nonetheless I couldn't have done it without y'all.

[DohcBikes]

What I don't think you are understanding is that the reason you need gussetting by the shock mount now is because you cut the brace out. Put it back in, no issues.

Something tells me here we go again with somebody telling me the two areas are not dependent on each other for strength.