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[ironchop]

I`m glad you`re feeling better i was beginning to worry .........Chopmasterson !!!............i`m just a little concerned about the Quality of human beings in this melting pot ............after we tear down the walls maybe we could call the "New" country "Desperate house wifes of the OC" or Snotts Landing ...........For me and for last 17 yrs ..........it`s game over.........what WE ALLOWED happened is not exceptable ..........1 step forward........ 2 steps back ......... and what little time i have left i should be the last to care WTF happens ..........i settled for nothing but success and i can`t believe what people have swallowed for the last 17 ...........they make me sick .........you`re right Chop they`re gonna fack with your money , your food . your land ..........everything ruined..........wait till they get a hold of you........and i`ll be in hell before yee..........and it happened on my watch........gots to go final Jeopardys on [emoji481]Bounce[emoji481]Bounce

It was set into motion a long time ago. From the start, this country has been trying to shed it's subverters.

Some people warned them though and they were dismissed as hoaxsters like ole Smedley Butler

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

The overall quality in this particular sampling of humans is dreadful so you got a right to that concern. I worry too because several thousand people have suddenly lost their minds if they even had them to begin with. I see exactly how fast things like the Bolshevik revolution go from unthinkable to probable in just a few short years and they embrace a form of government known to foster authoritarian dictatorships and die a slow economic death from attrition.

It's gonna suck the most for my kids. They didn't even have a chance to see it coming let alone stop it. Our kids will be the ones getting genocided and seeing the whole country disintegrate.

If Trump was really exposing anyone, he'd already be dead. I think that's all distractions. Bushes and Walkers go WAY back. I share an eight great grandmother or close to that with Bush Junior. They came over in the 1630s. Old school power. If I recall, old H Walker (Herbert Walker) invented the Skull and Bones frat. I don't see them letting old Don blow all that for them. Bush Senior practically IS Deep State so if it was anything important or of substance, it would be murdered faster than a witness for the prosecution on a Clinton foundation Grand jury probe.


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[Scootertrash]

A lot of us think the same, some are just better at putting it into words, like 'chop.

It was happening long before your or my watch Glamster.

So what's the solution? Where do we start?

And spare me the "Quit your job, go off the grid to stop supporting the globalism agenda" crap.

If they really have the technology that some of you think they have, there is no "off the grid". There is nowhere to hide. And who do you think will be used first as an example that there is no escaping the New World Order control of the population?

So again I ask: What's the solution? Where do we start?

I've asked this question before and none seems to have an answer.

[ironchop]

.....

And spare me the "Quit your job, go off the grid to stop supporting the globalism agenda" crap.

So again I ask: What's the solution? Where do we start.....

We can't do that anyway if we wanted. Have you seen all the towns and cities across the country that have passed laws prohibiting people from leaving the electric grid, municipal water, collecting rain water, and raising gardens, etc.?

Why TF would they want a dependent population? Because they need it to use against you later down the road. Like how China has a "Social Credit" system where if you're not Proletariat enough, you can't get a loan or a job (if what I've read is true)

Republican? NO WATER FOR YOU!

Constitutionalist? READ YOUR CONSTITUTION IN THE DARK! NO ELECTRICITY FOR YOU!

Sounds a bit exaggerated, yes, but again from what I've seen that they have already tried or pulled off, nothing surprises me or is off the table at this point

Keep you paying for healthcare using legislation
Keep you paying for utilities and water using legislation
Keep you buying insurance using legislation

Licensed and state sponsored theivery.

Side note: why has nobody environmentalist asked WHY a country that is so consumed with "climate change" and fixing that hoax would start legislating that people STAY ON the coal-burning electrical grid rather than go solar and independent?

Also WHY isn't any of the 'climate change is settled science' crowd not now challenging the scientific results from data that was obviously collected when the US and a few other powerhouse countries were all manipulating the weather using microwave atmospheric HEATERS "for science and defense purposes"????

How has that not skewed the "data pointing to climate change"?

People literally watched Michio Kaku get on CBS News and explain that weather manipulation and cloud seeding was very real and a very active project and yet millions of morons didn't make the connection at all. I'm pretty sure Neil Degrasse Tyson said the same thing out loud on a number of occasions. Nobody seemed to understand the significance of that admission on so many levels.

This is part of the reason I have no solutions either because anything I got involves a huge mass Awakening to even be remotely successful and from what I'm seeing, nobody is paying enough attention to pick up the giant bread crumbs that are being dropped so I'm sure they couldn't possibly fathom the need for immediate action.

Some people, I honestly believe, really do want to believe it but it's scary and full of Doom and not much positive.... So when someone else comes along and dismisses it as "tinfoil hat stuff", it makes it easier for the others to dismiss it too as an excuse to not try and process this info or do anything with it. If you don't know, you can't be held responsible for the knowledge, right?

It's like peer pressure to stay stay stupid for some naturally beta people.

For others, skepticism has been their best defense from being taken advantage of in life and that's a hard thing to turn off, even for me.

For yet another group, it's naivety and blind trust that our leaders are all benevolent all the time and any indication otherwise is just a glitch in the matrix.... Unless it's a Republican and then it's "Man the battle stations!" "All ahead full steam!" And "fascists must be stopped!"

Maybe if we told that crowd that Trump was trying to control the weather, hide alien tech, took down the twin towers in a fascist coup attempt, and wrote Agenda 21, we could get that entire crowd on board in under twenty minutes via Twitter.

If we said Trump was a Bilderberger and there were twenty more like him attempting to install a one world police state, the entire Left Wing would mobilize to destroy them all in under a week. On the other hand, the Trump supporters would show up armed at the Bilderberger events to pull security and then suddenly, formerly woke people would love the Rothschild's

It's a conundrum

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[atc007]

The answers are as Chop eluded to. A revolution. Is it gonna happen? Not anytime soon. Say I was from Chicago. Mine would probably happen very soon. Thank God I am not. Trump IS the real deal. But until it is understood WHO actually pulls the strings on the puppets. You don't realize how very little power he has. As long as 96%,and I will stand by that number.,are content with debt they have to carry all of their adult lives,watching and mesmerizing over professional athletes and guzzling beer to forget their reality. Or. B,,listening to MSNBC or CNN to tell them what to think. Nothing will change. It's actualy a brilliant plan,and it worked wonderfully until election day 16.

[ironchop]

^^^I think we start with Question Authority ..........a cop told me from traffic school that they hate that the most ...........Massive Litigation ..........sue them for Defecation of Character ............Peacefully send all branches of Gov. home without pay without pensions ...........stand down the Military (just like 911) until WE decide what we`re gonna do ...........all peacefully like the Sugar Plum Fairies that we`ve become ..........i don`t write as good as you guys...........i`m not a smart man..........i should a been a Rockstar instead i`m a bum (at least i payed my way) ...........to give up ?........is a disservice to your Children .........i have a 4 month old Grandchild .........i broke into tears because it hit me what she will have to endure .........now they think i`m a creep for loosing it ..........maybe they`re right ..........sooner or later let the revolution or Genocide ....begin .............i am so fricken bored ......nothing to do today......guess i`ll just sit around and Medicate ........medicate.........dem Klipsch sound good .......

Another long winded post so here it goes....

I always feel sorry for big city citizens. When I lived in Indy, the police were very jaded and there were alot of power trippers. Indy has about 1 million people. They were all rude and full of themselves and I acted accordingly... Which means I was abrasive right back. You get what you give.

Where I grew up in rural Indiana though, it was different and it's also different here in Bowling Green, a city of about 50K people.

Probably because it's harder for officers to stay anonymous in smaller cities and burgs and rural people will call out an ahole officer in a restaurant when he sees one.

Back in 1990 and 1991, I was a total dickhead and got myself arrested a few times. I was a little smartaz too so I got treated in kind by the officers who had to deal with me. All of it ended in misdemeanors and some probation mostly until I ignored probation and sat in jail a little while. My own fault. Still our local officers at the sheriff's department were pretty cool and accommodating, as they could be for it being jail, as long as you were cool too.

I straightened up after I made my grandma cry alot and luckily, I never caught felonies so I can have a gun and vote. I've even had a CCW. Never been arrested since though I did miss traffic court once after that and turned myself in only to be let right back out and then the case was dismissed anyway. Another non-issue but still technically an arrest.

Most of the police officers I know personally don't agree with alot of the laws they are paid to enforce. I have had a few friends become officers and made friends with other officers. I know officers who may or may not imbibe in herbal remedies but my lips are sealed. I've been told to take my weed home and put it away and don't go get caught again back in my weed days. I once didn't pay a speeding ticket in time and got pulled over with a suspended license only to have the officer tell me to take the car straight home and quit driving until it was corrected instead of impounding my car and arresting me. I think the saving grace was that I didn't lie when asked a question. They seem to appreciate that.

Now I catch flak because I have "cop friends" from my other friends from time to time but I don't have regular friends who are power trippy dicks, so I'm also not hanging with problem cops either. This is why I don't lump them all together. I've smoked a joint or two with one back in the day. Others have always been respectful to me. I'll give them credit for that.

If you're gonna sue, sue the system. I tend to think that giving all officers a hard time would only make things worse anyway. Why would an officer have anything other than contempt for the citizens that hate him and why would he be interested in respecting the Civil Rights of the people who don't respect him/her?

I can't be an officer because I would most certainly baton the shyte out of some of these entitled stupid m@#$erf**@#ers in a heartbeat. My temper is no good for civil rights. No badge for me, please.

We need to be very careful not to alienate them for three reasons:

1) like you said, they may become the actual jackboots for the International Thuggery and your gonna wish you didn't give them a hard time

2) the officers I know are almost all, 8.5 out of 10, woke as F**k... We need those allies. Same with the military. Any chance you would have to win would be exponentially better with a large number of these two groups in your corner

3) this country without officers would turn into a murderous wasteland in under 24hrs if we disbanded the police. Now I might feel confident with my AK47 and 8/30rd mags to protect me at the store or work but I kinda like feeling safe to send my mom, my wife, my sister out to the store without worrying that they'll be gang raped and then murdered by a mob of angry MSNBC viewers. I like that my grandkids can ride their bikes to the park without 200 pedo rape vans following them around. I'm already trying to protect my family from hell-bent and Soros funded commie dick guzzlers. I don't have time to watch out for rape gangs too.

I don't condone the actions of more than a few officers and I don't agree with alot of the laws that have been passed in this country but I don't blame officers for the laws, just their personal behavior. Being mad at cops for patrolling like they're paid to do is like being mad at ICE officers for Congress's immigration laws....or being mad at a flag in a football stadium because Mike Brown ate a bullet for being a little cocky dickhead or because great grandpa Elijah picked some free cotton 200 yrs ago.

This is why BLM don't protest the police station. They burn down their own neighborhood, attack unarmed white people, and block major highways and streets so that the people with jobs, who they resent, pay the price for something they have nothing to do with. You think BLM would dare attack a cop? You think Kaepernick would go to his kids little league baseball game and kneel at the flag there where some other kids dad's didn't stomp a Marine Corps combat veteran size hole in his forehead because he was not protected by cops there like he is at the arena?.....Nope. NONE of those "tough guys" would pull that stunt if those state troopers all left the building so that 50K screaming patriots could mob all 14 of those ungrateful pricks at once. Not a chance. Those players have cage courage. Every one of them. That's when you're running your mouth when there's a set of bars between you and the dude who's about to wreck your week. Cage courage. ANTIFA picks fights in public streets where there are cops.... They say they hate cops but won't dare punch one.... No they're busy "stomping Nazis" (getting stomped by Nazis). You'd think if they were indeed brave, that they would show up at the local Nazi clubhouse in the middle of the night with no cops around and go to town on a Nazi..... Nope. They need police to " hold them back"

We don't need to act like those dicks. We need to concentrate that disgust where it needs to be concentrated. Congress would care alot more if you're out in front of their offices flipping over their cars and threatening them. Burning down your own neighborhood doesn't even register on their radar since the gated community they live in is far from Fiery Ferguson. Yelling at a flag is even more pointless and weak

Yeah I know and respect that John and Glamy don't like officers and I can understand why to an extent BUT in my experiences, which are apparently radically different, I have no good reason to feel that way so I won't until those circumstances change for the worse. Until I see an officer turn into an agent of the authoritarian state new world order, I'm going to assume he may be a friendly. I could be wrong and dead but we can't afford to rule out everyone who smells funny or else there will be 38 of us left to fight the good fight.

Any officer who burns a joint with me or let's me drive my car home on a suspended license is not about to kick in my family's door and arrest us for being political dissidents. The UN understood this which is why Vampire Killer 2000 was published by police officers to warn other domestic officers that the UN doesn't trust them to be "peacekeepers" and plans to disband them. The enemy of your enemy should be your friend sometimes.... Not all the time, but sometimes.

Almost all the trouble I've had with LEOs was my own doing

I'm too old to live in Anarchy nor do I want to.

Again...... Your local results or experiences may vary from mine and maybe I'm just lucky to have good officers in my community being productive and approachable rather than stand offish and rude. Most of them here all but refuse to enforce small quantity possession of marijuana because they don't see the big deal. They'll take it or throw it away but your not going to get anything over it. They have bigger fish they'd like to fry instead.

When we were kids, the sheriff's department would find out about big parties and bust us making us all get sober rides home... No citations for underage drinking. If they caught you in the car with booze and you're underage, you were forced to pour it out on the side of the road and then they let you go on with a warning after attempting to figure out who bought the booze for you. We never got arrested or tickets though for that.

Now the justice system IS a joke and probably deserves to get sued alot. I'll bet you ten dollars that youll find a number of cops to agree with you. I'm sure alot of them are tired of the same old violent reoffenders getting the revolving door treatment only to be terrorizing the streets again in a month or two.

I'm not asking anyone to be "pro law enforcement" either. I'm just asking that you consider what it might be like with them as allies rather than enemies. If you change the laws and therefore their job requirements, most of your issues with them would evaporate as well.

Also, regarding unnecessary force among police officers, yeah there are some who shouldn't carry a badge but...... And this comes straight from my recent state police graduate buddy....... If you honestly knew how alot of departments are training these guys, it would be no surprise why sometimes innocent people get killed by police who probably wouldn't have done so had they not been trained to consider everyone, pregnant woman, old man, 10 year old kid a potential gun-carrying threat to their safety. Couple that with stress and a hair triggered Glock and you get a tragedy. It also didn't help that in the late 80s during the Crack epidemic, people hollered for the cops to become more militant and to have zero tolerance. You got what you asked for. So my point is that the problem is very complex and requires a multi-prong solution. It's not as simple as shaming them, ostracizing them, or even firing them all.

Again those are just my experiences and my own personal conversations with the officers I know..... Probably because of muh white priveledge [emoji23].

In closing.... If you had the police and the military on your side, how long do you think it would be before all these shadow gubmint m-effers were rounded up and brought to justice? I say 72hrs.

I'm not saying you have to embrace a cop, Glamy or anyone else. My own experiences are unique. I'm just saying don't judge them all by their chosen profession. And move your butt to a smaller, not liberal, town so you don't get harassed by those jaded, insulated, and cynical storm troopers you got in San Dank. White Liberals love themselves a police state. Find a conservative town.

Ok I'm done and now you can flame me [emoji869][emoji106]



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[ironchop]

Yeah San Dank would be the problem.........i don`t have cop problems ........my dad was one of NYC finest ..........this is (hate to say) a very mean town .........we had a city wide power outage a few years back .........oow the people suck ........and if food became scarce ........they`d eat you alive........cops don`t stand a chance against the population here ........over the mtns and threw the Desert to grand mothers house we go !..........i`d be goin in.........to sin city........butt first i gotta dig a hole .......theres a lot of holes in the desert (just kidding) .........it`s hard ......... i get letters every week that they want to buy my house ..........shityounot.........i could sell in one day .......foogen cash buyers .........lick me this world is foogen nuts ....keep on typing Chop .....we`ll figure this out !

Damn dude..... You don't wanna be trapped in that mess when it all goes to hell. Hurry up and move. Get an RV. Live in Glamis.

Are they registering everyone's guns already?

(We already have defacto national registration that we slyly call "a background check" but someone recently told me that all rifles in Cali have to be registered after being inspected for compliance by an officer so I was wondering if that's true)

How many kids you got? I hope they respect the usefulness of firearms.

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[Kamnahrt]

So chop and glamy, I propose this question, while not pointing any fingers or taking a side, just devils advocate. If we, you, collectively as a group, were to hold these truths self evident. The Kabul exists and the deep state is indeed deeper than your wife's favorite bull. But at the same time it's been stated and agreed there is nothing you, I or the fence post can do to change it. Short of a global awakening that is. Which class of people is really better off, you in the proverbial know that has to wake up every day worrying about UN troops sweeping in and putting us in a Ted nugget sized strangle hold. Or is it Gary down the street living is average live enjoying it in ignorant bliss. If what you both say is true the fate of both you and Gary will be the same, but for the relatively tiny seconds we survive on the hurling rock who is truly going to enjoy it more. Whether it comes from natural causes or Soros pulling your hearts out with a Seagul chest punch.

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[ironchop]

So chop and glamy, I propose this question, while not pointing any fingers or taking a side, just devils advocate. If we, you, collectively as a group, were to hold these truths self evident. The Kabul exists and the deep state is indeed deeper than your wife's favorite bull. But at the same time it's been stated and agreed there is nothing you, I or the fence post can do to change it. Short of a global awakening that is. Which class of people is really better off, you in the proverbial know that has to wake up every day worrying about UN troops sweeping in and putting us in a Ted nugget sized strangle hold. Or is it Gary down the street living is average live enjoying it in ignorant bliss. If what you both say is true the fate of both you and Gary will be the same, but for the relatively tiny seconds we survive on the hurling rock who is truly going to enjoy it more. Whether it comes from natural causes or Soros pulling your hearts out with a Seagul chest punch.

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HAHA! Gary has it better off. Sometimes I wish I could "un-know" this stuff too

I just keep on truckin. Ain't no sense staying on high alert.

I used to do that in the 90s and it will consume you if you let it. Both mentally economically. Those prepper companies are making billions. Lots of conflicting info and outright misinfo. There's also alot of people you really don't want to be involved with because it's hard to spot a real psycho until he's being psycho and then it's too late to disavow.

I got two grandsons and a good woman and great family lots of friends so I try to spend time with them. I'm pretty sure I'll be passed on by the time it finally implodes. I like to hang out at my daughter's little lake cabin. I don't watch any mainstream news media and honestly we cut the cord and barely turn on the TV anymore. That stuff would just stain my blessed life.

This place and YouTube is the only social media I do

We've got a few more miserable years of this stuff before enough people are going to be awakened and suffering enough to do anything about it. By "suffering enough", I mean that most people will refuse to act as long as they got money in their pockets, internet, electricity, and Netflix, Xbox, and snacks. You take away all that and you might get a shot fired.

It's gonna have to be like Venezuela up in this em effer before Americans will get off the couch. We've been conditioned to being spoiled for too Long

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[ironchop]

So according to you ...........if you`ve got Cancer it`s better to let Cancer to run it`s course then try Chemo therapy to knock it out ? ............why ?

No. I never said that I gave up. I'll just take a more careful approach and party like it's 1999 in between episodes of authoritarian bull shyte.

Also, speaking literally right now on a side note, I'm not a big fan of Cancer Treatment[emoji769] and there are quite a few circumstances where I would indeed refuse treatment unlike alot of other people.

Now back to metaphorically.....I didn't say I gave up the fight. I just choose carefully how much of my everyday life that I let get consumed by trying to stay on top of this madness. "They" are going to make a very bold move at some point. Currently, they are just chipping away. Throwing pebbles at the water and seeing how big a ripple they can make. A militant counter move at this point makes you look like a Branch Davidian or an Oregon rancher. Then after the public dismisses you and your twelve buddies as radical domestic terrorists to the populace after gunning down a couple of them like Mr Finnicum, your entire message is lost to the people who need to hear it the most. If Q Anon is real and they are indeed military you could ask the same of them.... "Why haven't you acted yet?" It's all strategy. They can't throw down the gloves until a MAJORITY realizes the danger or else it looks like a military coup to install fascist dictatorship for no good reason to most Americans. You must have the majority public opinion on your side to guarantee to victory and right now, we don't have that majority.

Excuse my arrogance for a second but I'm far too important to the cause to waste myself in the opening salvo because I got tired of waiting and wrongfully thought that my martyrdom would be the catalyst. Many different "freedom fighters" have all succumb to this incorrect thought process and ended up dead, irrelevant, and forgotten.... Yes heros and leaders are both born as folks who do the unpopular and scary things before they were considered popular but you have to be able to measure accurately your own real worth and if you get that wrong, you're an Oregon rancher who pulled off a standoff that served no other goal than getting your buddy killed and then subsequently falling off the public radar soon after because football and materialism. You're just a footnote then. How many footnotes do you know that ever started a successful revolution?

Half of the members or more here that read this thread think we are nuts so how well do you think we'll be received after we storm Congress and take it over?

Within our own group of self-proclaimed woke people, we argue over the dumbest shyte so how well do you think we could plan, unify, and mount any sort of worthwhile resistance?

We can't hope to even make a dent in this cancer with only twelve willing participants. Yeah, I know lots of people SAY they are down for the fight but after all the signalling online and the Come and Take It bumper stickers, you'd be lucky to find that magic 5% that would actually hold to their promise and show up on D day.

We aren't ready yet. We need more suffering and control.

Rick, I've been fully woke since the early 90s and like I said, it's been mentally taxing watching this proverbial pot boil. It's like watching cold honey drip when you're trying to fill a quart jar. For twenty five years of my life, the big revolution was supposed to be "coming soon" "right around corner" or "about to kickoff by the end the year" and if I hadn't disengaged to an extent, I would have wasted ALOT of years skipping the good things in life so I could stock ammo, rotate my loaded mags, train in CQB tactics, and count my food storage.

Every new piece of info I've seen in the last 15 yrs merely confirmed what I was already taught in 1994. The only useful thing I can think of right now is real intelligence. Are they moving? Did they just hookup the cattle cars to the prison (FEMA) train? Did UN troops just arrive on shore in Battery Park? East Hampton? Oakland? We already know they are slowly destroying this country piece by piece but our fight is two fold. One fold is the actual enemy and the other fold is American Apathy and Ignorance..... Ignorance can sometimes be corrected with education but Apathy is a waiting game. Even with education, you're still at the mercy of the willingness to learn of the people you're trying to reach.

When they make the bold move and something has to be done, then I'm in it. I won't say how or to what extent I'm willing to go out loud on a public forum but I didn't awaken to just ignore the facts and let my country burn to the ground.

You know what kind of soldier is the most ineffective? The kind that got arrested and imprisoned in a FEMA camp as a political dissident before he even had a chance to stand up and defend what's right

So to answer your question... Yes kill the cancer but you can't kill cancer with only one dose of chemo. You need alot more than one dose.

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[ironchop]

.......never take it personally please ........

Oh I didn't.

I've known you long enough to know that you get misinterpreted alot.

I resist authority much more than you think and more than I'm willing to discuss openly

I took your question as a valid part of this debate and probably the most important question since we already know who, how, and why, the only thing left unanswered is when do we draw the line?

It's the hardest question of them all to answer and it's even tougher to get any consensus on what is the correct answer either.

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[ironchop]

Well .......i`ve been crushed .........Buzz Aldrin has stated that "we" didn`t land on the Moon .........and thats the way "it" HAPPENED ! ........check Secure teams latest video and how he handle`s the little girls question .........more lies ? .....who knows

Buzzed Aldrin probably misspoke cuz he's drunk and really old

Tyler said in the video that he thinks we landed on the moon after all and the comment section lit him up like a paid shill

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[Scootertrash]

So some believe that there is technology to bring down buildings with holograms and sound waves, and others believe the moon landing was faked? Are there any that believe both?

Ya know what? We WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH about some things. JFK, 9/11, Jimmy Hoffa, and if Anna Nicole really did marry for love? The "truth" has been obfuscated for so long it doesn't really exist any more. I wonder why?

Do you really think that the Elite/Bilderberg/Rothschilds/powers that be would allow the truth in any "government investigation" that could be released at a later date? Hahaahahhaaahaahaaa joke's on you bishes

Bush/Cheney were the masterminds and responsible for 9/11? Pull yer head out. If it really was a conspiracy, THEY ALL KNEW AND WERE IN ON IT

[El Camexican]

Bush/Cheney were the masterminds and responsible for 9/11? Pull yer head out. If it really was a conspiracy, THEY ALL KNEW AND WERE IN ON IT

Can't argue that. IF it was more than plane strikes those two would have been very near the low end of the org. chart.

[oldskool83]

All i know is I watched it live in high school on tv. No one knew what to say but it's all we wAtched from about 930 til end of day.

Guess thats how maybe other countries felt when war came to their town. All blows either way ya look at it.

[Arky-X]

I really want to believe that we`re not that lame to have faked the moon landing..........we got people that say the radiation field is impossible to cross..........and others like John Lear that say we have ships that can go to the moon and back before lunch..........i swear we need to take over EVERYTHING and water board them to tell the truth .........rocket fuel ?.......Buwa ha ha ha ha.........da planes should have bounced off those buildings .........holograms of planes disguising cruise missiles ? .......John Lear says the best pilot in the world couldn`t hit those buildings ...........and in another 20years the Government will say 911 was faked .........and no one will care cause we`ll all be dead.......happy ever after ! FA-Q !

I never really thought much of it until you said something now. I've never flown a plane but these guys supposedly went to flight schools (some of them flunked) just to learn how to fly (didn't care about take-off or landing) a couple Boeings into a space just over 200ft wide. Hell, I know people that have been driving cars for over 20 years that can't keep it between the lines on the highway.
I could see clipping a wing but both of these were direct hits.

I have a friend that has flown commercial before so I can ask him but has anyone here have any experience that can elaborate?