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hey everyone, ive got everything fixed finally on my 85 200x besiiides the slow oil leak coming my the kick starter, ive been told it could be the seal but if so where do i find one, seeing as my local honda dealer ship closed done and the nearest one is an hour away. so has anyone had this problem before if so how did you fix it or what can i do,any ideas are welcome.
thanks in advance.
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http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmot...tc200x/o/m1899Originally Posted by TrikemanATC200x
Engine & exhaust tab, scroll over to "right crankcase", index #14, oil seal, 22x31x5, part#729902, $4.79.
Remove kick start clamp bolt, slide kick starter off shaft, remove old seal from housing, install new seal, re-install kick starter.
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alright thank you, but the service manual tells you to remove the kick start cover and put grease around the lip of the oil seal (on the inside of the cover?)
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Just a little oil or grease on the lip of the seal (the inner id, that fits around the shaft), to keep it from getting torn on the splines of the shaft. Install it dry into the housing.
Power User
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Not exactly sure either since it MAY have a lip on the outside of the case so it has to be put in from the inside.
I've found the manual to be pretty generic at times and doesn't know exactly what we're after to accomplish.
Anyway, say the shifter seal simply pops out with a screwdriver and the new one presses in.
However, in my experience, there is usually a spring around the inside of the seal that holds the rubber to the shaft and YES it would be happy to have some grease.
That spring is simply ON there and will fly or fall off but will also slip right back on so be careful.
The bad thing I've seen esp with rear main engine seals, is that they can push themselves back out after you press them in.
NASTY when the big truck engine needs to be separated from the gearbox for a seal that smooshed out...so we used to glue them in with 3m weatherstrip adhesive.
Not too critical for your kickstart since you can SEE it..
but anyway, you have me interested in knowing if there is a lip and if the side cover does, in fact, have to come off.
The manual may just assume that your cover is off and since it's off, press in the new seal from the inside on a bench so it smooshes in and lands flat on the becnh withthhe front surface of the case.
see what I mean?
the manual may not know ehere you're coming from or trying to do.
I removed less than 1/2 of what they said to change swing arm bearings and races, for instance.
Ya know, a lot of bearing and auto parts suppliers have seals too, if you can get the measurements.
Honda did NOT always design everything to their specs. so a lot of things ARE interchangable with other applications.
The 250 sx swing arm bearings were timken and fit a 64 ford falcon front wheel bearing or something similarly absurd and at 1/5 th of the honda price.
Just remember, this is part of the fun
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well thank you both for your information ill look into both things, ill take the cover off and see what i find.
Power User
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Hey there
I just had my OTHER side cover off (shifter side) and the gasket was pretty complicated so I got a gasket for 12 bucks.
It is possible to make a gasket in a pinch either with scissors and a razor
or
by using a ball peento trace/cut them out using the case itself.
OR
rtv silicone gasket maker let it dry like a rubber band and then gently torque the cover back on evenly.
then again, that seal may pop out and back in from the outside in less than 5 minues work .
Surely someone will chime in before too long and save you some headaches
Power User
The day begins with 3WW
Hey there
I just had my OTHER side cover off (shifter side) and the gasket was pretty complicated so I got a gasket for 12 bucks.
Since you're sorta out of range for getting parts,
It is possible to make a gasket in a pinch either with scissors and a razor
or
by using a ball peen
OR
rtv silicone gasket maker let it dry like a rubber band and then gently torque the cover back on evenly.
then again, that seal may pop out and back in from the outside in less than 5 minues work .
Surely someone will chime in before too long and save you some headaches.
Sorry to have to mention this but I just remembered old GF trike looked like her seal was leaking, so I changed it and it turns out that her case was hairline cracked in the same vicinity.
We scuffed it up and cleaned it real good and glopped on some jb weld epoxy and it stopped leaking.
Hopefully it's a fun and easy cheap fix for you
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oh my case is definetily not cracked ive sat there and stared at it for hours, i think i got a worn seal but ill take it all apart and ill inspect it
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so i will be taking the kick start cover off today, any tips or suggestions what i should look out for or anything, thanks for your time and help
Power User
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That cover has 2 dowel pins, it supports the kicker while you kick, when the aluminum stars to wear, the seal leaks. For some reason I remember only a needle bearing on the opposing shaft that doesn't get much force (going off memory here)
The gasket can be cut but MUST be the same thickness or the cover tightened up will bind, thats why guys who use silicone have such an issue with them.
Line up the 2 dots on the gears.
Use the corner of a sandwhich bag with grease or oil on it to slide past the splines whether you install the seal on or off the trike, just to protect it.
It's a very easy seal to change, just the tiny cover, I grease and clean all my dowel pins so stuff comes apart again.
Lots of guys change the seal with the cover on, but getting it off without damaging the cover or shaft can be a skill and having something to just touch the outer portion of the seal can be a pain, too small and it dents the seal during install.
EDIT - Thats why I try and get both the Clymer and Shop manual, they differ a bit and you can learn from both of them.
How do you think I got decent at fixing things? Reading every tech section in Dirt Bike, Dirt Rider and owning 25 dirt bikes and 10 trikes over the years. A Yamaha can help you fix a Honda, it's all in what your mind retains......
If my alcohol soaked brain and previous drug use retained it, surely the rest of you can
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thank you very much dirt crasher, but as you stated the aluminum start to wear, does that mean i have to replace the cover or is the seal stop the aluminum from wearing??
Power User
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You may, again, I forget if that shaft is supported with ANOTHER needle bearing, you'll have to see. If not then just slide the cover over the shaft and see how sloppy it is unless you have the abilities to measure it......
BE GLAD that the kicker gears themselves are not slipping!! Thats the difficult and labor intensive repair!
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Power User
Catch me if you can
Yeah there is no bearing on that side (where the kicker is) I think the bearing is in the left center case.
Once it gets all sloppy, a seal will hold up fine unless the cover is cooked.
It's a poor design and Honda knew it, maybe it was there is easy for allowing a front kick......
Hence the reason I don't care for the 83-85 200X, but at least your kicker isn't slipping
Just grab a new seal and it will probably be fine. Otherwise I'd bore that hole in the cover to accept a needle bearing or at least a 660 bronze replaceable bushing.
EDIT - I've seen brand new covers on EBAY for like 30$ buy it now, but that was years ago. I have an NOS one with the needle bearings and seals but I wouldn't let it go for under 100$, in years to come , that price will double/triple.
The big issue is usually a sloppy brake pedal which is why In bought the cover.............
Last edited by Dirtcrasher; 09-05-2010 at 05:10 PM.
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another question can any tell me the actual honda part number for the oil seal i need
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