It's going to be a bumpy ride America

[atc007]

I still haven't had a chance to sort through any of Billy's post,but WILL ,,and WANT too ! My Brother had surgery today ,so I'm playing nurse to 3 full time now,and my Son and D in law are moving back here,To live in My Mom and Dads home!!! Yes ! So,,no time here for awhile.. I will DEF need explained to me the close ups of the planes,,,VERY clearly without windows and with a huge payload strapped to the bottom. Also the explosions/ detonations going off Inside the buildings,BEFORE/ AS BOTH Military planes are hitting the buildings. And obviously,I will DEFENITELY need the pentagon " hole" explained,,as to HOW PAPERS,wooden desks,computer monitors,folders etc,,, sit there ,,CLEAN,unburnt/unsinged . KEEP in mind now,,all of you explaining this away,,lol,,friendly here : ) THE SAME jet fuel ,,DROPPED NOT 1!,NOT 2, But THREE World trade towers to the GROUND, In a PERFECT STRAIGHT DEMOLITION// err,, I mean DROP. YET,,didn't BROWN A PAPER where the Pentagon jet Burnt,,oh,,and there was no fire in the lawn, So the fuel" went in " with it . I await. I'm not being smart here,,lol,, I am serious. As I can't get my head around ANY of WHAT I have seen..

[atc007]

Just a 5 minute video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOwTTieqiHE

Damn Steve. From where I sit,,I'd say that really sums things up.

[250rs-neva-die]

I agree 100%. I didnt get a chance to read the entire thread but what about the insurance policy the owner took out about a month before this happened. what about the 1 billion dollars that was being stored in the basement of the towers and when they finally got down there there was only 200 million left and trucks loaded with money ready to drive out of the tunnels but were deserted becuase the people had to have known the towers were about to be blown down. Definately was a government job which made alot of scumbags rich. Can only imagine what other coverups the govt does on a day to day basis. Makes me sick just thinking about it.

[Billy Golightly]

I still haven't had a chance to sort through any of Billy's post,but WILL ,,and WANT too ! My Brother had surgery today ,so I'm playing nurse to 3 full time now,and my Son and D in law are moving back here,To live in My Mom and Dads home!!! Yes ! So,,no time here for awhile.. I will DEF need explained to me the close ups of the planes,,,VERY clearly without windows and with a huge payload strapped to the bottom. Also the explosions/ detonations going off Inside the buildings,BEFORE/ AS BOTH Military planes are hitting the buildings. And obviously,I will DEFENITELY need the pentagon " hole" explained,,as to HOW PAPERS,wooden desks,computer monitors,folders etc,,, sit there ,,CLEAN,unburnt/unsinged . KEEP in mind now,,all of you explaining this away,,lol,,friendly here : ) THE SAME jet fuel ,,DROPPED NOT 1!,NOT 2, But THREE World trade towers to the GROUND, In a PERFECT STRAIGHT DEMOLITION// err,, I mean DROP. YET,,didn't BROWN A PAPER where the Pentagon jet Burnt,,oh,,and there was no fire in the lawn, So the fuel" went in " with it . I await. I'm not being smart here,,lol,, I am serious. As I can't get my head around ANY of WHAT I have seen..

Most of that is answered in my post from what I understand and gathered.

[fabiodriven]

Just a 5 minute video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOwTTieqiHE

I would like to thank Steve for posting this and I must say that this video, although taking this whole thing in a rather comical light, really sums things up for me. I do find this entire scenario quite comical in the sense that everyone just takes everything the government says as fact even though they do nothing but lie constantly.

In the video Steve posted, they refer to anyone who thinks the way I do as a "baby killing, puppy hater" or something along those lines. Although it is said in a sarcastic sense, obviously intentionally, this is the perception people who share my view are subjected to.

I have gotten more than one PM from people on here (no names) that have a lot to say to me behind closed doors but choose to say nothing in this thread for anyone else to see.

Id like to see you go to everyone of the family that lost someone that day and tell them all these foolish lies. everyone of your movies have been debunked. and all your post are just basically quotes from the movies. stop wasting your time trying to convince everyone about something that just isn't true. you sir deserve a punch in the face good day.

This fine piece of literature by russ was titled "go away with you bullshit"-

you should be ashamed to call yourself a American.

This is an example of what I get. I am a disabled veteran that has given more to this country than that man probably ever will, assuming he's never served. I've seen what I've seen and given my interpretation of what is going on in our troubled country. It is my right to express how I feel about this just as it's the right of everyone else who has posted in disagreement with me. I have not attacked their ideas or tried to steer anyone to do anything other than form their own thoughts.

In his PM, "russ" is telling me that the people who have lost friends and family on 9/11 would be upset with me if they knew how I feel. The truth of the matter is that the families who have lost people on that day are amongst the loudest of the outcries against the "accepted explanation" of the 9/11 attacks.

I use russ's crude words and sub-par grammar as indications of how well educated he is on anything, never mind the things that happened on 9/11.

[Slingblade]

Fabio, While I posted my feelings on the videos and I happen not to agree with your theory, I do thank you for the post and in some ways I will stand with you.

I did alot of searching after watching the vids and saw a few articles and even videos where the family members of the victims were asking, in fact begging for explanations and getting nothing.

While I could never put myself in their place I'm pretty sure where my questions and anger would be directed. After all, at least some of the hijackers were trained at American Military facilities.

In a country that spends 4-700 BILLION $ on defense and we train the clowns at our own facilities, Are you serious?? The intelligence groups were asleep on that one.

I will never discount the idea that insiders were involved. Anyone that doesn't question corruption on every level of government in this country is naive and needs to wake up.

There is some very good info in this thread, no matter where you stand on the theory. I truly believe there are rivers of dirty money running to and from D.C.

I know a person (indirectly) who has become a MULTI millionaire in the last decade SOLELY from defense contracts, And he never produced a thing. That's all I'll say about that, it makes me a little uncomfortable there.

But I publicly Thank You, Fabio. For your service to our country, and for this thread. Even if I don't agree on all points, you made me educate myself in a few ways. Which we all should do.

[fabiodriven]

Very well said Slingblade, and thank you very much.

[Fox250R]

http://nation.foxnews.com/russia/201...eks?intcmp=fly

Sure hope this isnt true cause if it is, NAVY = FAIL

[atc007]

I guess my question is,,pardon my ignorance again please. If it went UNDETECTED,,and THEY told us afterwards,,HOW do we know it was really there?? How was it brought to light that they were there?,,IF,,and I say <<IF,,This is TRUE. This is not good. Hell,I thought my sons Iphone would have known they were there,,too mention our Armed Services.

[300rman]

[clmeue37]

Ok here goes...

I just read this entire thread and realize that cover-ups and inside jobs MOST LIKELY have occurred for years and continue to take place in our country and governing system. I did not watch any of the videos/clips, or checkout any links that either credit or discredit any suspicious occurences in our country/government. I also refuse to watch the news or read the bigger papers. I read the local newspapers because there is genuine GOOD stuff going on in my community, and I feel it is very important to have a sense of community because it is often times the only strong aspect of this country.

I no longer vote for anything but local propositions (school/community) and school board members...I have always been told that if I don't like any of the presidential candidates to do my research and vote for the lesser of the evils. I refuse to do that. You will never hear me complain about any of our country's leaders simply because I didn't choose them. There is no republican or democrat candidate that has not been "bought" to further someone elses heinous, often sickening agenda. I could vote outside the parties but what effect would it have? Who's to say they won't be bought as well. The United States government lost sight of how the founding fathers intended the constitution to be used and interpreted long, long ago. It is used now to further their "power-trips" and at many times is completely disregarded in our daily lives.

The bill of rights? Tell me that hasn't been twisted, manipulated, and interpreted by our government to give them more power instead of protecting the rights of the United States citizens. THOSE ARE OUR RIGHTS and they are being taken away, limited, and controlled at an alarming rate. I firmly believe that once given power, man wants more and more and more power, to the point where they have total and absolute control over everything. This control goes far beyond the government, in that many businesses and corporations and organizations have a lot of "pull" in how this country is run.

Can anyone explain to me why our state governments now tell us we have to wear our seat belts when driving? I believe it boils down to greed and control and nothing else. My belief is that the good Lord will keep me safe and if He decides it's my time to leave this earth so be it. (Keep in mind this is only my belief) But our all powerful government has decided that it is dangerous for us to go without it? That's crap. Skydiving is dangerous and I've done that just the same as I've driven without a seatbelt and our government hasn't banned jumping out of a plane at thousands of feet.

On the topic of what the government decides what is or is not "good" for us, I have never liked the idea of taking any medications. For example: I had my wisdom teeth removed when I was 15 years old, all 4 on the same day, and it hurt like hell. I was prescribed a bottle of vicodin, 20 pills/bottle, with a refill for another 20 pills. I took one that first night and 22 hours later I finally woke up in a puddle of drool lol. I remember feeling so out of it and confused for awhile before it finally knocked me out. Even at 15 I knew that wasn't normal and since then I have not taken one single pain-killer. I believe they are intended to numb us and give us a false sense of relief to the point we become addicted to them. We have been dumbed down as a people by our government and this is just one method they are using.

I guess what this boils down to is that it is plain to see that this country is headed for trouble just as the title of this thread states. It doesn't take a genius to see past all the lies we've been told...many choose to trust what our leaders tell us. It would do me no good or harm to read all of the conspiracy(for lack of a better word) theories. I see it everyday, almost everywhere, just how bad of shape this country is in and I can only imagine how bad it is yet to become. I don't know if there is anything we can do about it at this point in time. This stuff has always made me uneasy and even moreso now that I have a son. Look at what is being created to "give" to the next generation. God only knows how bad it may get...

I for one won't be giving up my constitutional right to keep and bear arms without a fight, and I hope many of you feel the same. The day I lose that right or the rights to have the occasional brew and chew, a good trail ride, a wife who stands by me, and a suitable place to raise my son...let's just say there's enough people who feel the same way I do and it probably won't be pretty....

By the people, for the people? Not at this rate.

[atc007]

Certainly couldn't have said it better myself. ... Thank you.

[clmeue37]

I agree with fabio and what he originally posted.

I don't necessarily disagree with all of his critics either. All I have to say to them is: ignore the obvious at your own peril.

[300rman]

Awesome sound clip from Paul Harvey, listen to it guys. its only a couple minutes, and it is chillingly correct.


http://www.youtube.com/embed/H3Az0okaHig?rel=0

[Scootertrash]

Nice post 300rman. Now which political party supports ALL the ideas that Mr. Harvey just spoke about.