It's going to be a bumpy ride America

[Red Rider]

Ok, I just watched the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg&t=193s

I have to admit that I hadn't seen that particular video before. It does make some very compelling points, and the engineers and architects sound like they know what they're talking about.

Bryan I hope you watch what the engineers and architects have to say.

But, if the government is controlling the media, why are these videos still available to be seen? Are these really engineers and architects on the video, or actors in a government-sponsored film?

I just blew your mind.

[fabiodriven]

No, no you didn't at all actually. I'm very glad you watched it though. It does tell me you lied about watching it earlier, but I already knew that.

I just blew your mind didn't I?

[RIDE-RED 250r]

The projectile that hit the Pentagon was undoubtedly not a passenger aircraft.

With the evidence, and blatant lack, available to draw conclusions, if you think otherwise you aren't uneducated, unaware, or ignorant. Just fvckin stupid.

Screw you for the last part of that post Damon

[bkm]

Just my personal opinion, not regurgitated or drawn by anyone else other than me from what I've seen and know; I don't understand how the same person who thinks a 767 took down those towers could possibly not notice the lack of damage at the Pentagon from supposedly the same type of aircraft. No plane wreckage, no bodies. I mean come the frig on.

John, there was plane wreckage photos, and an investgator first on the scene is quoted to have personally handled wreckage and body parts. I'd say the Pentagon, the blood and guts of the nation's defense, was constructed a tad bit different than a sky scraper, so I don't know how you can compare the damage?

There were 137 eye witnesses that saw a passenger plane hit the Pentagon, other pilots were transmitting with Air Traffic Control of a low flying plane heading for the Pentagon. Yet there are no witnesses of a missile or military plane causing the damage.

Light poles were snapped off several hundred yards outside the Pentagon that were spaced out the width of a passenger plane. What knocked those over?

The Dude wants to call me and anyone who doesn't believe fawking stupid and says there is no evidence. Where did this evidence come from? And if I hear "it was planted," I'm out. There's no reasoning with logic like that and honestly looses all credibility imo.

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[fabiodriven]

Yes the name calling Damon, please.

[fabiodriven]

John, there was plane wreckage photos, and an investgator first on the scene is quoted to have personally handled wreckage and body parts. I'd say the Pentagon, the blood and guts of the nation's defense, was constructed a tad bit different than a sky scraper, so I don't know how you can compare the damage?

There were 137 eye witnesses that saw a passenger plane hit the Pentagon, other pilots were transmitting with Air Traffic Control of a low flying plane heading for the Pentagon. Yet there are no witnesses of a missile or military plane causing the damage.

Light poles were snapped off several hundred yards outside the Pentagon that were spaced out the width of a passenger plane. What knocked those over?

The Dude wants to call me and anyone who doesn't believe fawking stupid and says there is no evidence. Where did this evidence come from? And if I hear "it was planted," I'm out. There's no reasoning with logic like that and honestly looses all credibility imo.

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I'm going to try and look more into that. I've been looking at this stuff for so long that I end up forgetting stuff that I knew. I do recall being perplexed by what appeared to be a lot less damage than I would expect at the Pentagon and not nearly the wreckage that would be expected. I'd like to brush up on that, but I recall at one point thinking a missile would be more likely.

I'm not begging anyone to stay in this conversation, although whoever sticks around is appreciated. With what I know I feel it's irresponsible of people not to be concerned, however those who don't know wouldn't realize how concerned they should be.

[redsox]

This will be my last post for the night, but i will watch some videos and post again in the morning. I should have time to contribute here tomorrow. Again, John, I will volley back the ball. Its easy to say "clear your desk" in order to control the dialogue. I must insist that this ship be navigated jointly. I've asked the questions and the questions remain. Questions that I feel merit answers. Now, your homework assignments have been lengthy. I would conservatively estimate that I have watched over ten hours of films/documentaries/youtube clips, etc, etc that you've recommended. I don't watch everything you put out, but I watch a lot. It interests me, and I enjoy it, even if i disagree or simply disbelieve in some of it. But every time you are taken to task you shift gear and simply assign more homework. More and more and more. Most recently I poked serious holes in the video with the flawed experiments. This was met with no substantive reply. Just more videos. More homework. I will do it. I will watch that stuff. But I won't let you off the hook. How are the families of the dead fooled? What about the calls from the planes? What about the failed 1993 attack? What about the Cole? The ball is in your court. As an aside, I have a response to the Fed and the War for Oil and the Rothschilds and the machine, but lets take our time. Clear your desk.

[El Camexican]

With the evidence, and blatant lack, available to draw conclusions, if you think otherwise you aren't uneducated, unaware, or ignorant. Just fvckin stupid.

So you respect everyone's opinion, as long as it's the same as yours? I see you've officially put your tiger striped shirt back on, welcome back.

[El Camexican]

More than likely. However it's a tragedy for me personally to have to accept that people with upper level intelligence are not able to easily see that a jumbo jet didn't hit the Pentagon. Again simple observation in conjunction with 2nd grade math makes it obvious.

Central location of intelligence for the world's largest and most powerful military, and they allowed a jumbo jet carrying passengers flown by a "known terrorist" to infiltrate the airspace and crash into it. Don't care about your feelings. If you think that's true you're a fvcking moron.

Check your meds, I think the expiration date has passed.

[fabiodriven]

Damon you know I appreciate your opinion but I'm not going to ask again about the name calling. I'll ask everyone else to bear with me for the moment please.

[bkm]

More than likely. However it's a tragedy for me personally to have to accept that people with upper level intelligence are not able to easily see that a jumbo jet didn't hit the Pentagon. Again simple observation in conjunction with 2nd grade math makes it obvious.

Central location of intelligence for the world's largest and most powerful military, and they allowed a jumbo jet carrying passengers flown by a "known terrorist" that overtook the plane with a one inch blade to infiltrate the airspace and crash into it. Don't care about your feelings. Don't give a shlt who I "offend". If you think that's true you're a fvcking moron.


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I'm not offended. I just think your inability to dispute the facts I presented above other than saying, if we don't believe what you say, makes us a fvcking moron, in fact makes you look like a fvcking moron.

There are photos of passenger plane wreckage. Where did it come from? 137 eye witnesses all collaborated like good sheep to say they saw a passenger plane, yet not a single person saw a missile or military plane?

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[bkm]

Yeah i don`t buy the Pentagon bs one bit ......no aircraft engine`s were recovered and no videos were released ? ......there`s cameras up the jing jang .....and no video ........the witnesses were all on duty at the Pentagon .....no civilians .....i`m so surprised

There was engine parts recovered, along with landing gear, wheels, and outer skin. Where did it come from? What knocked down the light poles the width of a passenger plane several hundred yards out?

I'm all eyes here fellas, but sorry if a bunch of guys on 3ww saying it's the way it is because they say so, isn't going to convince me.

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[bkm]

Since we like video's here.

https://youtu.be/49nYlcOtnss

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[fabiodriven]

This will be my last post for the night, but i will watch some videos and post again in the morning. I should have time to contribute here tomorrow. Again, John, I will volley back the ball. Its easy to say "clear your desk" in order to control the dialogue. I must insist that this ship be navigated jointly. I've asked the questions and the questions remain. Questions that I feel merit answers. Now, your homework assignments have been lengthy. I would conservatively estimate that I have watched over ten hours of films/documentaries/youtube clips, etc, etc that you've recommended. I don't watch everything you put out, but I watch a lot. It interests me, and I enjoy it, even if i disagree or simply disbelieve in some of it. But every time you are taken to task you shift gear and simply assign more homework. More and more and more. Most recently I poked serious holes in the video with the flawed experiments. This was met with no substantive reply. Just more videos. More homework. I will do it. I will watch that stuff. But I won't let you off the hook. How are the families of the dead fooled? What about the calls from the planes? What about the failed 1993 attack? What about the Cole? The ball is in your court. As an aside, I have a response to the Fed and the War for Oil and the Rothschilds and the machine, but lets take our time. Clear your desk.

As I have explained Dan, and as I will reiterate, there are experts that need to be heard. In this instance more so than any other video I have ever posted. I already explained, all of your questions have answers and I am providing them to you, you just have to read or watch them. If you watch the video from the architects and engineers, these other questions will be irrelevant for the moment, although you will hear from more than one victim's family as well as firefighters in this video. You are going about this the wrong way, you are asking for too many answers at once. I don't ask you for the answers to ten different questions at the same time and just BAM! expect you to reply to all of them, do I? One farking question at a time. Never anywhere in this thread have I mentioned anything you're asking about. I like to speak to facts that I know about and can tell you something about and then point out my source where I got my information. This process takes time, but I will never speak to you about anything that I do not know about. If you want the answers to particular questions, open up your laptop, and start educating yourself. I am going so far as even giving you the material to use, but it is up to you to use it. If you want me to come to your house and physically act out the information that I have obtained I can tell you that is not going to happen. If you want me to type out word for word the quotes of hundreds if not thousands of people's words that is not going to happen either. I don't know what it is you're not understanding here but I am John Fahey, a simple person who likes the truth and to educate myself. I was a truck driver and a soldier. I didn't graduate high school and I prefer to ride three wheelers and motorcycles and work in my yard. I am not one of the thousands of engineers, scientists, ex-military, firefighters, victims families, physicists, architects, demolition experts, or building designers who would like you to please give them an hour of your time. I don't understand what you want me to do here, I'm not going to pretend I hold any of those titles. All I know is who to believe and I know something is drastically wrong here.

Dan, when you realize that your government either took down these buildings or at the very least covered it up, your other questions are a handful of many, many more important ones that arise.

Most recently I poked serious holes in the video with the flawed experiments. This was met with no substantive reply. .

Dan,

somehow you missed it but I not only replied to your post, but I replied thoroughly. It follows here-

Dan,

What you completely overlooked in the beginning of that video is how the man performing the experiments explained to you that regardless of scale, these experiments will provide the same results. There was a lot of math and science at the beginning there that you either overlooked or didn't understand. I suggest you watch again. Every time I see these experiments and say to myself "there is no way to refute that", someone finds a way. In this man's simplicity, he is showing the exact science behind why these buildings collapsed the way they did. The material he used is irrelevant, as what he is showing you are the laws of physics. The laws of physics apply to both his scale models as well as the full size buildings just the same, and I am not going to sit here and explain it to you over and over again. The video is quite simple, it's designed to be as such because people such as yourself are grasping at straws in the upholding of your programming. Please watch it again and pay attention to the math and science at the beginning. For the sake of comparison, the "official" NISK computer animation model, which is what people like yourself believe, lacks any science and physics and makes absolutely no sense. It has been cut to pieces by experienced engineers world wide, which is shown in the other video I posted in post #145. That is why they had to generate a computer model and not make an actual model in person to accurately display the physics of our planet, because they can alter the outcome to suit their needs in a computer generated model. Please view the video linked a couple of posts back regarding the engineers of the planet earth and how they feel about views shared by people such as yourself. Again, if you do not understand the science applied in the first video, watch it again. Your attempts to discredit the man doing the experiment show your ignorance to the science involved.

The rest that you are concerned with is quite simply irrelevant in comparison to the events that transpired and in my opinion shows the scope at which you are viewing. You are looking through a pin hole in a piece of paper. You really need to widen your focus here. You have a very, very low understanding of what your government is capable of. Putting people through flying school, videos of them on the planes, calls from the planes. Dan, that's all chicken shite semantics. Who the frig cares really? But I will entertain your train of thought here, but try to get 'er into second gear please.

Your government, likely CIA or black ops, can and do operate free of any bounds. Monetarily, by law, and likely have technology that the rest of us are unaware of. Your government lies all day every day, all the time. It's expected, it's a joke to many, and as such, they are very good at what they do. The following scenario is completely made up by me but just for example.

Uncle Sam- "Hey Hadji! Don't you think it would be a good idea for you guys to learn to fly a plane for (whatever) reason? We'll pay your way here, just come over here and get some schooling." Hadji comes to the states and goes to school, there is your record of that. "Hey hadji! There's a turbin convention over at (wherever the flight is going)! You guys wanna go check it out?" Now you can put them on the planes. Laughing at how ridiculous that is yet? It is, but it's just that simple. All they need to do is place them for the cameras, that's it. They can report anything else they want and people like you will eat it up. No proof, no science, yet you'll laugh at an experiment based on math and science. You'll believe what you're told by liars unquestionably, but you'll ignore science from someone who took hours and days of their life to do research and provide experiments for you to see, and you'll laugh at him, and my views are skewed...

The people who are shooting back at us in the desert are people whose lives have been turned upside-down by America. Our leaders stir up a shite stew over there and then send the poor to go die. If there had been no attacks on 9/11 and we showed up to conquer their countries the same exact way, you would get the same exact reaction. People fighting and willing to die for their home land, willing to die for a cause, just like I was. The whole planet was goaded into getting behind this false cause, and those with the dirtiest hands sit back and watch us squabble.

You make this far more complex than it has to be, which is how you're supposed to view it. Dan I could provide you with information all day and I do enjoy spreading the word, but once you reach the point of terminal velocity, full of questions such as you are, you must find your own answers. I know it's scary and you're comfortable in your little hologram of what life is. I know it's tough to think about the "good guys" doing such a thing. So many innocent lives lost, the firefighters and such, those killed by war, or those frigged from it just the same. It is of a scope you are having difficulty reaching, but I suggest you do so. I suggest the whole planet does, and if you haven't watched the video from the engineers world wide who are petitioning this entire event, I suggest you do so. It is your thought process which is becoming obsolete, not mine. The planet will see someday, and I predict there will be and entire re-thinking of what happened that day, and I predict the first rendition will be nothing more than an updated farce with the lies upheld. The answers we are given now break the laws of physics Dan, and that is ridiculous, and here I am handing you experiments which follow the laws of physics, and you laugh. You my friend, are blind and you are on hook, line, and sinker.

Since you refute the laws of physics (good luck with that) or didn't understand the video with buildings made to scale, I will now provide you with a video which you might understand a little better.

EDIT- It is no surprise that I am having trouble locating the experiment I saw which used actual steel beams and replicated the circumstances in the Twin Towers near exact. I will continue looking.

EDIT AGAIN- Once again, if you are viewing this on tapatalk, it is only showing a small portion of my post. Please toggle to "web view" to see the entire post.

[fabiodriven]

I'm all eyes here fellas, but sorry if a bunch of guys on 3ww saying it's the way it is because they say so, isn't going to convince me.

Apology accepted.

Yes that's right Bryan. Don't listen to me, don't listen to Damon (obviously), and for the love of god do not listen to Glamy.

Bryan, nobody has asked you to listen to us. I am asking you to listen to the American Institute of Architects, who has backing by thousands of people and signatures from thousands of architects alone, and that's just licensed architects. There is a petition. If you do watch it, please pay close attention to the titles of all those who are speaking, every one of them. This isn't my wacky idea of a dumb conspiracy theory, this is real farking life, and this is coming to fruition. All the years you guys have looked at me like a kook, and guess what? I've been right the whole time. I don't need to call anyone names.