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I got a 200s to work on, there is no spark. I checked and fixed all wires. The stator is good. I have 2 pulse generators, both show 0 ohms. Cdi has the correct ohms that the manual showed except between ext and e1 and ext and s2 both show 10 ohms . I have two coils, one has the correct ohms. Still no spark. Are both pulse generators bad? Or is my cdi bad?
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You say the stator is good. What does it check ohm wise on the Black w/red striped wire?
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100 ohms. ( 100 X1, NOT 100 X1K)
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Owned-one honda 350x three honda 90 s, one honda 110, one honda 185 , three honda 200e s, two honda 200s, one honda 200es, one yamaha 60, four yamaha 125 s, one yamaha 200, one yamaha 225dx , and two kawasaki 160 s, all of wich were good runing three wheelers. Also had lots of parts bikes. Also had lots of dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, gokarts, mopeds, and snowmobiles.
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When I work on one ( electrical ) I make sure it has 200-245 ohms. The lower the ohms the weaker the spark. You might find pull starting the machine with another it might run. But with that low of ohm reading I would be replacing the exciter coil ( part of the stator ).Originally Posted by jawalth6
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With the help of some members here, I'm working through some ignition issues on my 84 200es.
See the attached file someone sent me:
According to it, the pulse coils should have a resistance of 20-30 ohms.
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I put a different stator in. Now I get 205 ohms. Still no spark. Thanks. I got 29 ohms now from the pulse generator(put a different one on). Good thing I found lots of extra parts.
Own-Honda 250es, Kawasaki kx60, Yamaha 350 warrior
Owned-one honda 350x three honda 90 s, one honda 110, one honda 185 , three honda 200e s, two honda 200s, one honda 200es, one yamaha 60, four yamaha 125 s, one yamaha 200, one yamaha 225dx , and two kawasaki 160 s, all of wich were good runing three wheelers. Also had lots of parts bikes. Also had lots of dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, gokarts, mopeds, and snowmobiles.
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just for the heck of it did you make sure the pin is in its place behind the cdi were it locks into the cam. thats what happened to me today a buddy put it on and forgot the bolt at the end of the cam and the pin fell out lost spark.
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It sounds like a CDI to me so far, read the 3ww link below on where to buy a Chinese one for $5.00 and connect it to your system if you want to try a cheap way out. WARNING, buy a couple because you might get a faulty new one. I would buy a known good used one if possible.
1. You may need to have a volt/ohm meter that hopefully reads peaks [fluke digital etc] or have a friend that does.
2. Read the post below, it has a lot of info you might need including ohm and voltage readings from a properly working system.
3. Use the OEM Honda manual below to see specs and see how to test items.
4. Check all connections first.
5. Test stator source coil for voltage output by using pull cord [or starter if it has one]with spark plug removed. May need a volt/ohm meter that reads peaks to do this I’m not sure.
6. Post all results.
OEM HONDA MANUAL FROM KBONLY
http://www.kb0nly.info/ATC/index.php?dir=ATC200ES%2F
ATC 200 WEAK/NO SPARK LINK
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthr...ng...-Ignition
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I've never messed with anything behind the pulse generator before. I will check to make sure but I don't think thats the problem. That forum doesn't give links to where to buy 5$ Cdi boxes. the only ones i can find are 43$ new on ebay.
So does that little deference in the Cdi ohms make it bad?
Own-Honda 250es, Kawasaki kx60, Yamaha 350 warrior
Owned-one honda 350x three honda 90 s, one honda 110, one honda 185 , three honda 200e s, two honda 200s, one honda 200es, one yamaha 60, four yamaha 125 s, one yamaha 200, one yamaha 225dx , and two kawasaki 160 s, all of wich were good runing three wheelers. Also had lots of parts bikes. Also had lots of dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, gokarts, mopeds, and snowmobiles.
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1. I can't find the $5.00 cdi link right now i'll look tomorrow if neither the keeper of the $5.00 cdi info or someone else doesn't give it to you by then.
2. What difference are you talking about exactly? Please be specific in EVERY post so we don't have to go back and try to find out what you were talking about in some previous post. If you are asking if 27 ohms is ok if the spec is 30 ohms my answer would be yes but others are better at this than i am.
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Oh, you were asking about the cdi. well all i have heard is that even though some test bad they still work so as far as i know and have seen they can not be successfully "bench" tested.
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OK. I probably should buy a new Cdi then. Is there any reasons for both of the pulse coils to show 0 ohms? Or are they both bad?
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Owned-one honda 350x three honda 90 s, one honda 110, one honda 185 , three honda 200e s, two honda 200s, one honda 200es, one yamaha 60, four yamaha 125 s, one yamaha 200, one yamaha 225dx , and two kawasaki 160 s, all of wich were good runing three wheelers. Also had lots of parts bikes. Also had lots of dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, gokarts, mopeds, and snowmobiles.
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I just purchased two of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321095193713...84.m1439.l2649
Check out this thread for a full explanation (including parts source for a square plug with crimp connectors to replace the round OEM round plug) from member KBonly:
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthr...hlight=pin+cdi
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I would at least do item #5 and #6 listed in post #8 using the manual link contained within that post to determine the factory specs. I would also test the ign coil before I did anything else then if all that checks good I would probably buy an original CDI that is either known or guaranteed to be good [if such a thing is possible], but that’s just what I would do, others would do things differently.
I see tvpierce has been kind enough to post the links necessary to locate and MODIFY your CDI harness to accept the $5.00 CDI but don’t get too excited yet, I posted the link to his original post so you can see read that first finding, then properly fixing your problem may not be as simple as you might think. His bike ran but ran poorly for reasons still undetermined. He tested lot’s of things in question here and even though they seemed to test good he replaced the ign coil with a new Chinese one, he replaced the CDI with a new Chinese one and as a last resort changed the source coil with a new Taiwanese one that he had to repair because he damaged it and after that his bike sparked once and then quit sparking. After 54 posts with someone very knowledgeable to help him his bike is worse off than when he started.
As I mentioned I don't know as much as some about the electrical systems on these but as far as your pulse coil question goes I personally don't know any other reason for them both to have 0 ohms unless they are bad but that just seems unlikely to me.
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I have very rarely seen a CDI on a 200s go bad. Have you disconnected the kill switch and checked for spark? I have seen dozens of kill switches go bad, but on the 200s's I have only ever seen 2 go bad. 1 of those was because of a engine fire. LOL
I wished you lived close to me. I would have you some spark within an hour.
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